Gollum...lembas? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Sleepy Ranger · 02-20-2004, 03:29 PM

I don't think its been done before so here it is...
How did Gollum manage to touch the Lembas. Isn't it supposed to like burn him and isn't he suppose to hate nassty lembas...'cause nasssty elvesss made it?
Opinions?

Imladris · 02-20-2004, 03:54 PM

Well, I do remember juggling several hot potatoes in my time.

I doubt that it was extreme physical pain...more a burning discomfort.

Actually, I think it was the rope that burned him...but it might have been both.

Cheers!
Istawen

Sleepy Ranger · 02-20-2004, 03:58 PM

That would be all things pure that hurt Gollum so do the sun and moon. I have no quote handy. But they do.

Firefoot · 02-20-2004, 07:44 PM

It wasn't touching the lembas that made Gollum uncomfortable... it didn't even burn him. He didn't like the way it smelled and it choked him to eat it. He couldn't eat it because the Elves made it. I'm paraphrasing for a quote at the very beginning of "The Passage of the Marshes". It's somewhat longish, but it is the part just before the second break in the text.

Lobelia · 02-21-2004, 03:53 AM

True, it did seem to be eating it that harmed him. What I always wondered was why he never complained about travelling by day? In the novel, he really did NOT like the Yellow Face, no, not at all, precious! Oh, well.

Kidd2323 · 02-24-2004, 03:26 AM

In the book, he sniffed it and instantly knew the elves created it.
I think he took a small bite and spat it out saying it choked him, almost gasping for air?

Eowyn Skywalker · 02-26-2004, 06:12 PM

True, he shouldn't've been able to touch it. It was eating it that made him burn, but even touching it, now that he knew that it was made by the nassssssty elves, should've bothered him.
I didn't like that scene in the movie, and he shouldn't've been able to do that, now that I think about it.
Oh well
-Eowyn Skywalker

03-23-2004, 01:17 PM

when he had the rope around him, i think he said

"aaaaaaaargh it burn, it burns us, it freezes! take it off us! we swear to do what you wants"

and when he ate the lembas

"ach! we can't eat .. food!"

i didn't hear what the .. bit was

The Only Real Estel · 03-23-2004, 07:26 PM

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True, he shouldn't've been able to touch it. It was eating it that made him burn, but even touching it, now that he knew that it was made by the nassssssty elves, should've bothered him.

Interesting, maybe my book-memory is a bit hazy, but I don't remember Gollum being 'burned' by the touch of the lembas (actually, I don't even remember if he touched it at all). The taste of it choked him & must've tasted nasty (like other people already said in this post), but it was only the elven rope that burned him, & only because elves 'twisted it'. I doubt that the bread burned him to touch it just because elves baked it, but if anyone can show me an exact quote from the book that says the touch burned him, then I'll accept it.

Thorongil · 03-26-2004, 04:46 AM

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i didn't hear what the .. bit was

I think it was

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We can't eat hobbits food

***Sharkû*** · 03-26-2004, 08:10 AM

9 replies and not a single book quote? This really is the Movies forum

"Frodo broke off a portion of a wafer and handed it to him on its leaf-wrapping. Gollum sniffed at the leaf and his face changed: a spasm of disgust came over it, and a hint of his old malice. `Sméagol smells it! ' he said. `Leaves out of the elf-country, gah! They stinks. He climbed in those trees, and he couldn't wash the smell off his hands, my nice hands.' Dropping the leaf, he took a corner of the lembas and nibbled it." He spat, and a fit of coughing shook him." (LR IV,2)

06-24-2004, 10:17 PM

Didn't Gollum touch the leaf around the lembas, instead of the actual lembas bread? I'm not sure if the leaf would have the same effect on gollum as the actual bread, since it was not made by the elves but grown by them.

The Only Real Estel · 06-25-2004, 08:28 PM

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Didn't Gollum touch the leaf around the lembas, instead of the actual lembas bread?

At first I think that's all he touched, but then he took the bread out so that he could crumble part of one onto Sam's elvin cloak.

02-20-2004, 03:29 PM	#1
Sleepy Ranger Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: On the field, kissing the 'Downs crest Posts: 1,654	Gollum...lembas? I don't think its been done before so here it is... How did Gollum manage to touch the Lembas. Isn't it supposed to like burn him and isn't he suppose to hate nassty lembas...'cause nasssty elvesss made it? Opinions? __________________ And tonight we can truly say, together we're invincible... Middle-Earth Football World Cup 2007

02-20-2004, 03:54 PM	#2
Imladris Tears of the Phoenix Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Putting dimes in the jukebox baby. Posts: 1,453	Well, I do remember juggling several hot potatoes in my time. I doubt that it was extreme physical pain...more a burning discomfort. Actually, I think it was the rope that burned him...but it might have been both. Cheers! Istawen __________________ I'm sorry it wasn't a unicorn. It would have been nice to have unicorns. I'm your huckleberry.

02-20-2004, 03:58 PM	#3
Sleepy Ranger Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: On the field, kissing the 'Downs crest Posts: 1,654	That would be all things pure that hurt Gollum so do the sun and moon. I have no quote handy. But they do. __________________ And tonight we can truly say, together we're invincible... Middle-Earth Football World Cup 2007

02-24-2004, 03:26 AM	#6
Kidd2323 Animated Skeleton Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Chicago Posts: 44	In the book, he sniffed it and instantly knew the elves created it. I think he took a small bite and spat it out saying it choked him, almost gasping for air? __________________ "I wish I could go all the way with you to Rivendell, Mr. Frodo, and see Mr. Bilbo," said Sam. "And yet the only place I really want to be in is here. I am that torn in two." "Poor Sam! It will feel like that, I am afraid. " said Frodo. "But you will be healed. You were meant to be solid and whole, and you will be."

02-26-2004, 06:12 PM	#7
Eowyn Skywalker Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Somewhere far, far away. Eh. Posts: 402	True, he shouldn't've been able to touch it. It was eating it that made him burn, but even touching it, now that he knew that it was made by the nassssssty elves, should've bothered him. I didn't like that scene in the movie, and he shouldn't've been able to do that, now that I think about it. Oh well -Eowyn Skywalker __________________ Sometimes worlds collide. This time, they got their own webpage. Join Middle-earth: Insanity forums today.

02-20-2004, 07:44 PM	#4
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	It wasn't touching the lembas that made Gollum uncomfortable... it didn't even burn him. He didn't like the way it smelled and it choked him to eat it. He couldn't eat it because the Elves made it. I'm paraphrasing for a quote at the very beginning of "The Passage of the Marshes". It's somewhat longish, but it is the part just before the second break in the text.

02-21-2004, 03:53 AM	#5
Lobelia Wight Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 150	True, it did seem to be eating it that harmed him. What I always wondered was why he never complained about travelling by day? In the novel, he really did NOT like the Yellow Face, no, not at all, precious! Oh, well.

03-23-2004, 01:17 PM	#8
King Elessar Guest Posts: n/a	when he had the rope around him, i think he said "aaaaaaaargh it burn, it burns us, it freezes! take it off us! we swear to do what you wants" and when he ate the lembas "ach! we can't eat .. food!" i didn't hear what the .. bit was

03-26-2004, 08:10 AM	#11
*Sharkû* Hungry Ghoul Join Date: Jun 2000 Posts: 1,719	9 replies and not a single book quote? This really is the Movies forum "Frodo broke off a portion of a wafer and handed it to him on its leaf-wrapping. Gollum sniffed at the leaf and his face changed: a spasm of disgust came over it, and a hint of his old malice. `Sméagol smells it! ' he said. `Leaves out of the elf-country, gah! They stinks. He climbed in those trees, and he couldn't wash the smell off his hands, my nice hands.' Dropping the leaf, he took a corner of the lembas and nibbled it." He spat, and a fit of coughing shook him." (LR IV,2)

06-24-2004, 10:17 PM	#12
Elf @ Heart Guest Posts: n/a	Didn't Gollum touch the leaf around the lembas, instead of the actual lembas bread? I'm not sure if the leaf would have the same effect on gollum as the actual bread, since it was not made by the elves but grown by them.