Uruk-Hai - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Beren87 · 01-04-2002, 04:20 PM

I have a question. I read in one book that the Uruk-Hai were originally bred by Sauron, and called Hobgoblins. But in other places it says that they were bred by Saruman. Which is the right evildoer?

Luineglin · 01-04-2002, 04:32 PM

well it is said that all that was invented by sauramon was sent by sauron so u might say that it was sauramon but it wasnt.

Marileangorifurnimaluim · 01-04-2002, 07:04 PM

The only reference I've seen is from Treebeard, and he wasn't sure, but thought Saruman might be "blending the lines of orcs and men - that would be a black evil." But you're right, Saruman was copying Mordor. Unwittingly. The (re)design of Isengard is referred to being like a child's copy of Mordor, though it's mentioned that he thought it very grand and didn't realize it wasn't his idea.

-Maril

Elrian · 01-04-2002, 10:17 PM

Uruk-Hai: Strain of Orcs bred by Sauron in the Third Age in Mordor. The Uruk-Hai first appeared about 2475, when they overran Ithilien and took Osgiliath. By the time of the War of the Ring Uruks were used by both Sauron and Saruman. The Complete Guide To Middle Earth.

Zippo · 01-04-2002, 10:24 PM

That sounds like a dictionary definition, but that explains it! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Luineglin · 01-05-2002, 03:06 PM

so to put in regular launage it was sauron not saruamon and they were men and orcs mixed.

Elrian · 01-06-2002, 01:36 AM

It said nothing about being Men and Orcs mixed, and it was plain enough. [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Luineglin · 01-06-2002, 12:15 PM

shhhhhhh he might not know that.

***Mithadan*** · 01-06-2002, 07:17 PM

Foster's Complete Guide is not always completely accurate and sometimes contains his own interpretations. As I understand it (and I may be wrong) the Uruks were inordinately large orcs bred by Sauron, but the Uruk-Hai were a different breed created by Saruman, likely through careful breeding, maybe including the addition of a human element in the gene pool.

Elrian · 01-07-2002, 01:34 AM

In the glossary of Unfinished Tales it says that Uruks: Anglicized form of Uruk Hai of the Black Speech; a race of Orcs of great size and strength.

01-04-2002, 04:20 PM	#1
Beren87 Master of the Secret Fire Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Between fire and ice, death and life Posts: 2,241	Uruk-Hai I have a question. I read in one book that the Uruk-Hai were originally bred by Sauron, and called Hobgoblins. But in other places it says that they were bred by Saruman. Which is the right evildoer?

01-04-2002, 04:32 PM	#2
Luineglin Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: In a terrible paradise Posts: 93	well it is said that all that was invented by sauramon was sent by sauron so u might say that it was sauramon but it wasnt. __________________ All that is gold does not glitter, Not all that wander are lost; The old that is strong does not wither, Deep roots are not reached by the frost. From the ashes a fire shall be woken, A light from the shadows shall spring; Renewed shall be blade that was broken, The crownless again shall be king. Bilbo Baggins Describing Aragorn Son of Arathorn Heir of Elendil,Elessar-Elfstone of his people

01-04-2002, 07:04 PM	#3
Marileangorifurnimaluim Eerie Forest Spectre Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Buried in scrolls of fanfiction Posts: 798	The only reference I've seen is from Treebeard, and he wasn't sure, but thought Saruman might be "blending the lines of orcs and men - that would be a black evil." But you're right, Saruman was copying Mordor. Unwittingly. The (re)design of Isengard is referred to being like a child's copy of Mordor, though it's mentioned that he thought it very grand and didn't realize it wasn't his idea. -Maril __________________ Deserves death! I daresay he does... And some die that deserve life. Can you give it to them?

01-04-2002, 10:17 PM	#4
Elrian Eldar Spirit of Truth Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Land of the FREE, Home of the BRAVE Posts: 794	Uruk-Hai: Strain of Orcs bred by Sauron in the Third Age in Mordor. The Uruk-Hai first appeared about 2475, when they overran Ithilien and took Osgiliath. By the time of the War of the Ring Uruks were used by both Sauron and Saruman. The Complete Guide To Middle Earth. __________________ ~Call me a relic, call me what you will. Say I'm old fashioned , say I'm over the hill. That old whine ain't got no soul. I'll stick to Old Toby and a Hobbit hole.~

01-04-2002, 10:24 PM	#5
Zippo Animated Skeleton Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: I live in...well I live every where! HAHAHA! Posts: 49	That sounds like a dictionary definition, but that explains it! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] __________________ I am Saki The Conqueror, Ruler of the east and the west and ALL That is In between!

01-05-2002, 03:06 PM	#6
Luineglin Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: In a terrible paradise Posts: 93	so to put in regular launage it was sauron not saruamon and they were men and orcs mixed. __________________ All that is gold does not glitter, Not all that wander are lost; The old that is strong does not wither, Deep roots are not reached by the frost. From the ashes a fire shall be woken, A light from the shadows shall spring; Renewed shall be blade that was broken, The crownless again shall be king. Bilbo Baggins Describing Aragorn Son of Arathorn Heir of Elendil,Elessar-Elfstone of his people

01-06-2002, 01:36 AM	#7
Elrian Eldar Spirit of Truth Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Land of the FREE, Home of the BRAVE Posts: 794	It said nothing about being Men and Orcs mixed, and it was plain enough. [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] __________________ ~Call me a relic, call me what you will. Say I'm old fashioned , say I'm over the hill. That old whine ain't got no soul. I'll stick to Old Toby and a Hobbit hole.~

01-06-2002, 12:15 PM	#8
Luineglin Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: In a terrible paradise Posts: 93	shhhhhhh he might not know that. __________________ All that is gold does not glitter, Not all that wander are lost; The old that is strong does not wither, Deep roots are not reached by the frost. From the ashes a fire shall be woken, A light from the shadows shall spring; Renewed shall be blade that was broken, The crownless again shall be king. Bilbo Baggins Describing Aragorn Son of Arathorn Heir of Elendil,Elessar-Elfstone of his people

01-06-2002, 07:17 PM	#9
*Mithadan* Spirit of Mist Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Tol Eressea Posts: 3,397	Foster's Complete Guide is not always completely accurate and sometimes contains his own interpretations. As I understand it (and I may be wrong) the Uruks were inordinately large orcs bred by Sauron, but the Uruk-Hai were a different breed created by Saruman, likely through careful breeding, maybe including the addition of a human element in the gene pool. __________________ Beleriand, Beleriand, the borders of the Elven-land.

01-07-2002, 01:34 AM	#10
Elrian Eldar Spirit of Truth Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Land of the FREE, Home of the BRAVE Posts: 794	In the glossary of Unfinished Tales it says that Uruks: Anglicized form of Uruk Hai of the Black Speech; a race of Orcs of great size and strength. __________________ ~Call me a relic, call me what you will. Say I'm old fashioned , say I'm over the hill. That old whine ain't got no soul. I'll stick to Old Toby and a Hobbit hole.~