Boromir's death scene - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Annunfuiniel · 02-24-2003, 03:08 AM

Everyone here remembers the death of Boromir in FoTR. Now when Boromir knows his time has come he reaches for a sword and as A. gives it to him he says his last words: "I would have followed you my brother...my captain...my king!" Now what do you think, was the sword in question A.Boromir's or B.Aragorn's? And, consecutively, how should those words be interpreted? Was that Boromir's (late) oath of allegiance to Aragorn through A's sword? That's what I thought it might be but I'd gladly here some other opinions.

Meela · 02-24-2003, 06:53 AM

i thought that was Boromirs sword and he was just preparing to die like a true warrior, ie. holding his sword. but now you put it like that, i can see why it could have been aragorns sword, and boromir was using it to swear an oath to aragorn. or he was swearing it on his own sword. as for the words, im thinking he saw at that moment that aragorn was a great man, and kingly an' all, and had boromir lived, he would have served this great king. either that, or because aragorn had said that he would not let the white city fall, that was all boromir cared about and only loved aragorn because he said he'd protect it.

Davin · 02-24-2003, 12:33 PM

I am almost 100% sure that it is Boromir's sword.......atleast in the movie it is, and it is not mentioned in the books.. as far as I remember....

HCIsland · 02-24-2003, 01:13 PM

I gotta agree. I'm almost positive it is Boromir wanting to die with his sword in his hand. Warrior thing.It's kinda funny. In the commentary in the SE, there's talk that they were thinking of taking out the "my brother, my captain, my king" line. I don't understand why unless they were worried some folks might take it too literally and think, "Whaa? Aragorn and Boromir are brothers?" Actually, my Mom nudged me and asked me that when she saw the film. I'm glad they kept it. H.C.

Peri · 02-24-2003, 01:58 PM

I think it was Boromir's sword. The significance is that Boromir is a Gondorian, and Aragorn is the heir to the throne of Gondor. I think that is where the significance lies. That's why he calls Aragorn his brother, his king, his captain.

Rynoah, the Overly-Happy · 02-24-2003, 05:44 PM

<A HREF="http://store.barrowdowns.com/prodimg/UC1299-Striders-ranger-swd.jpg" TARGET=_blank>Here</A> is Aragorn's Ranger Sword.<A HREF="http://www.quintessentialwebsites.com/lordoftherings/movieshots/swords_tn.jpg" TARGET=_blank>Here</A> is a picture of Boromir's sword before and after fighting the Uruk-Hai.I can't seem to find a picture of Boromir actually holding the sword as he says his final oath, but take a look at it. It's his sword.If you think about it, Gondorians are like Vikings in a way. They're proud peoples and they use circular shields. So, shouldn't they also want to die a warrior's death: with a sword in hand? Vikings believed that a warrior that died without a sword in his hand would not go to Valhalla (I think that's what it's called) so... maybe.[ February 24, 2003: Message edited by: Rynoah, the Overly-Happy ]

avarrogion · 02-24-2003, 08:22 PM

Well after viewing the death scene a couple of times, i realise that the sword which Boromir asked for is actually his sword and not Aragorn`s. And the oath was on his sword. About the viking thing, you`re right Rynoah, the Overly-Happy.

the real nazgul · 02-25-2003, 04:50 PM

well, think about it like this: if it was aragorns sword, then when they sail the boat (with boromir's body) over the waterfall, aragorn would not have his sword anymore, would he? (or hes very good at diving over waterfalls)And the viking thing;Good idea. [ February 25, 2003: Message edited by: the real nazgul ]

Rynoah, the Overly-Happy · 02-25-2003, 05:08 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>aragorn would not have his sword anymore, would he? (or hes very good at diving over waterfalls)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Pochahontaragorn? I can just see him taking a swan dive off the Falls of Rauros. Why not? He fell off a cliff in TTT.

Meela · 02-26-2003, 06:40 AM

noooo! bad images of aragorn in a dress! *screams

Rina · 02-26-2003, 08:49 AM

Also, Aragorn's sword at this point is Anduril, the sword that was reforged of the Shards of Narsil. I don't think he would let it go over the falls. I believe that Boromir had his own sword and he was pledging his loyalty to Aragorn, much as the members of the Fellowship pledged to Frodo at the Council of Elrond "You have my sword....and my bow....and my ax." And I like the point about the resemblance to the Viking tradition. Very perceptive.

Eressië Ailin · 02-26-2003, 09:24 AM

AAAHHHHHHH!!!!! You guys are so mean to Aragorn!!!! Why can't you pick on Legolas? You'd make a lot more enemies that way.

Dark Shadow · 02-26-2003, 12:54 PM

I think it's Boromir's sword. Doesn't Aragorn drop his before he kneels down? And there's the whole "warrior's death". I think that's brough across by how Aragorn places Boromir's hand (with sword) on his chest. Aragorn wouldn't have done it based on an oath, because Aragorn didn't know Boromir was going to say it. (Well one would assume not.)I think the little speech was, as well as swearing an oath to Aragorn, partly to make Boromir feel better. He'd disrespected Aragorn throughout the whole story, he'd tried to take the ring from Frodo, and now he's found out that Aragorn was able to let Frodo go. He's probably feeling a bit inferior by now, so he apologises for it all. Well, it's just how I've always looked at it.

Rynoah, the Overly-Happy · 02-26-2003, 03:53 PM

I can see Legolas taking a swan dive off of the Falls of Rauros too... only I see him landing in a bloody heap on a rock or something. Boy, I'm evil. Rina: Thank you very much.

HCIsland · 02-26-2003, 07:42 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Also, Aragorn's sword at this point is Anduril, the sword that was reforged of the Shards of Narsil. I don't think he would let it go over the falls. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Although I agree with everyone saying that the sword is Boromir's, Aragorn has yet to receive the sword mentioned above in the movie. I think most of us are pretty sure Anduril will show up in RoTK though.H.C.

Himaran · 04-01-2003, 09:32 PM

How did boromir's sword break? It was only the hilt that he was holding!!!Himaran

HCIsland · 04-01-2003, 09:42 PM

I don't think it was broken. You only see the hilt when he is talking with Aragorn, but later he has the whole sword when his body is in the boat.At least, that is how I remember it.H.C.

Rynoah, the Overly-Happy · 04-02-2003, 12:20 AM

Yes, the sword was complete. They just didn't show it past the hilt during the death scene.

sassyfriend · 09-02-2011, 03:05 PM

You guys picking on 2 of my favorites!!!!!

And yes it is Boromir's sword not Aragorn's.

02-24-2003, 03:08 AM	#1
Annunfuiniel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Something close like Shire Posts: 769	Boromir's death scene Everyone here remembers the death of Boromir in FoTR. Now when Boromir knows his time has come he reaches for a sword and as A. gives it to him he says his last words: "I would have followed you my brother...my captain...my king!"<BR>Now what do you think, was the sword in question A.Boromir's or B.Aragorn's? And, consecutively, how should those words be interpreted? Was that Boromir's (late) oath of allegiance to Aragorn through A's sword? That's what I thought it might be but I'd gladly here some other opinions. __________________ Despair is only for those who see the end beyond all doubt.

02-24-2003, 06:53 AM	#2
Meela Denethor's True Love Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mirkwood. With Thranduil... swoon Posts: 2,049	i thought that was Boromirs sword and he was just preparing to die like a true warrior, ie. holding his sword. but now you put it like that, i can see why it could have been aragorns sword, and boromir was using it to swear an oath to aragorn. or he was swearing it on his own sword.<BR>as for the words, im thinking he saw at that moment that aragorn was a great man, and kingly an' all, and had boromir lived, he would have served this great king. either that, or because aragorn had said that he would not let the white city fall, that was all boromir cared about and only loved aragorn because he said he'd protect it. __________________ 'The Hobbit' 1st impressions: 1. Thorin is hot... Oh god, I fancy a dwarf. 2. Thranduil is hotter. 3. Is that... Figwit! 4. Does Elijah Wood never age? 2nd: It's all about Fili & Kili, really. 3rd: BARD! OMG, Bard.

02-24-2003, 12:33 PM	#3
Davin Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 166	I am almost 100% sure that it is Boromir's sword.......atleast in the movie it is, and it is not mentioned in the books.. as far as I remember.... __________________ So do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us. »»The Telmena««

02-24-2003, 01:13 PM	#4
HCIsland Zombie Cannibal Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,000	I gotta agree. I'm almost positive it is Boromir wanting to die with his sword in his hand. Warrior thing.<P>It's kinda funny. In the commentary in the SE, there's talk that they were thinking of taking out the "my brother, my captain, my king" line. I don't understand why unless they were worried some folks might take it too literally and think, "Whaa? Aragorn and Boromir are brothers?" Actually, my Mom nudged me and asked me that when she saw the film. I'm glad they kept it. <P>H.C. __________________ "Stir not the bitterness in the cup that I mixed myself. Have I not tasted it now many nights upon my tongue, foreboding that worse yet lay in the dregs." -Denethor

02-24-2003, 01:58 PM	#5
Peri Wight Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Rivendell Posts: 124	I think it was Boromir's sword. The significance is that Boromir is a Gondorian, and Aragorn is the heir to the throne of Gondor. I think that is where the significance lies. That's why he calls Aragorn his brother, his king, his captain. __________________ "Ah, but I'll begowk ye there!" cried the gentleman. "Play me false, and I'll play you cunning."

02-24-2003, 05:44 PM	#6
Rynoah, the Overly-Happy Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Arizona Posts: 474	<A HREF="http://store.barrowdowns.com/prodimg/UC1299-Striders-ranger-swd.jpg" TARGET=_blank>Here</A> is Aragorn's Ranger Sword.<P><A HREF="http://www.quintessentialwebsites.com/lordoftherings/movieshots/swords_tn.jpg" TARGET=_blank>Here</A> is a picture of Boromir's sword before and after fighting the Uruk-Hai.<P>I can't seem to find a picture of Boromir actually holding the sword as he says his final oath, but take a look at it. It's his sword.<P>If you think about it, Gondorians are like Vikings in a way. They're proud peoples and they use circular shields. So, shouldn't they also want to die a warrior's death: with a sword in hand? Vikings believed that a warrior that died without a sword in his hand would not go to Valhalla (I think that's what it's called) so... maybe.<p>[ February 24, 2003: Message edited by: Rynoah, the Overly-Happy ] __________________ Spook the spook of spookish spookdom to spook the spooked spookers. ?!?! This isn't Osgiliath! Do the wave for Boromir the Disco King! Eat squid for Boromir the Disco King!

02-24-2003, 08:22 PM	#7
avarrogion Wight Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Malaysia Posts: 120	Well after viewing the death scene a couple of times, i realise that the sword which Boromir asked for is actually his sword and not Aragorn`s.<BR>And the oath was on his sword. About the viking thing, you`re right Rynoah, the Overly-Happy. __________________ I might have been a slasher but I never killed children, only real men!...A mistake cannot make right by another mistake... ~Kenshin Himura~

02-25-2003, 04:50 PM	#8
the real nazgul Animated Skeleton Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Nazguls foster home Posts: 36	well, think about it like this: if it was aragorns sword, then when they sail the boat (with boromir's body) over the waterfall, aragorn would not have his sword anymore, would he? (or hes very good at diving over waterfalls)<P>And the viking thing;Good idea. <p>[ February 25, 2003: Message edited by: the real nazgul ] __________________ Its not the size of the dog in the fight but the size of the fight in the dog

02-25-2003, 05:08 PM	#9
Rynoah, the Overly-Happy Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Arizona Posts: 474	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>aragorn would not have his sword anymore, would he? (or hes very good at diving over waterfalls)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Pochahontaragorn? I can just see him taking a swan dive off the Falls of Rauros. Why not? He fell off a cliff in TTT. __________________ Spook the spook of spookish spookdom to spook the spooked spookers. ?!?! This isn't Osgiliath! Do the wave for Boromir the Disco King! Eat squid for Boromir the Disco King!

02-26-2003, 06:40 AM	#10
Meela Denethor's True Love Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mirkwood. With Thranduil... swoon Posts: 2,049	noooo! bad images of aragorn in a dress! *screams __________________ 'The Hobbit' 1st impressions: 1. Thorin is hot... Oh god, I fancy a dwarf. 2. Thranduil is hotter. 3. Is that... Figwit! 4. Does Elijah Wood never age? 2nd: It's all about Fili & Kili, really. 3rd: BARD! OMG, Bard.

02-26-2003, 08:49 AM	#11
Rina Pile O'Bones Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Taniquetil Posts: 18	Also, Aragorn's sword at this point is Anduril, the sword that was reforged of the Shards of Narsil. I don't think he would let it go over the falls. <BR>I believe that Boromir had his own sword and he was pledging his loyalty to Aragorn, much as the members of the Fellowship pledged to Frodo at the Council of Elrond "You have my sword....and my bow....and my ax."<BR>And I like the point about the resemblance to the Viking tradition. Very perceptive. __________________ Rina "God is the Lord, of angels, and of men - and of elves."

02-26-2003, 09:24 AM	#12
Eressië Ailin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Past the Point of No Return... Posts: 502	AAAHHHHHHH!!!!! You guys are so mean to Aragorn!!!! Why can't you pick on Legolas? You'd make a lot more enemies that way. __________________ Holy angel, in Heaven blessed... My spirit longs with thee to rest! ~Faust Never judge a book by its movie. ~J. W. Eagan By the big slippers of big slipperdom! ~M. Gillenormand, Les Misérables My blog!

02-26-2003, 12:54 PM	#13
Dark Shadow Wight Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Someplace in Middle Earth Posts: 130	I think it's Boromir's sword. Doesn't Aragorn drop his before he kneels down? And there's the whole "warrior's death". I think that's brough across by how Aragorn places Boromir's hand (with sword) on his chest. Aragorn wouldn't have done it based on an oath, because Aragorn didn't know Boromir was going to say it. (Well one would assume not.)<P>I think the little speech was, as well as swearing an oath to Aragorn, partly to make Boromir feel better. He'd disrespected Aragorn throughout the whole story, he'd tried to take the ring from Frodo, and now he's found out that Aragorn was able to let Frodo go. He's probably feeling a bit inferior by now, so he apologises for it all. Well, it's just how I've always looked at it.

02-26-2003, 03:53 PM	#14
Rynoah, the Overly-Happy Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Arizona Posts: 474	I can see Legolas taking a swan dive off of the Falls of Rauros too... only I see him landing in a bloody heap on a rock or something. Boy, I'm evil. <P>Rina: Thank you very much. __________________ Spook the spook of spookish spookdom to spook the spooked spookers. ?!?! This isn't Osgiliath! Do the wave for Boromir the Disco King! Eat squid for Boromir the Disco King!

02-26-2003, 07:42 PM	#15
HCIsland Zombie Cannibal Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,000	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Also, Aragorn's sword at this point is Anduril, the sword that was reforged of the Shards of Narsil. I don't think he would let it go over the falls. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Although I agree with everyone saying that the sword is Boromir's, Aragorn has yet to receive the sword mentioned above in the movie. I think most of us are pretty sure Anduril will show up in RoTK though.<P>H.C. __________________ "Stir not the bitterness in the cup that I mixed myself. Have I not tasted it now many nights upon my tongue, foreboding that worse yet lay in the dregs." -Denethor

04-01-2003, 09:32 PM	#16
Himaran Ash of Orodruin Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Thangorodrim Posts: 777	How did boromir's sword break? It was only the hilt that he was holding!!!<P>Himaran

04-01-2003, 09:42 PM	#17
HCIsland Zombie Cannibal Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,000	I don't think it was broken. You only see the hilt when he is talking with Aragorn, but later he has the whole sword when his body is in the boat.<P>At least, that is how I remember it.<P>H.C. __________________ "Stir not the bitterness in the cup that I mixed myself. Have I not tasted it now many nights upon my tongue, foreboding that worse yet lay in the dregs." -Denethor

04-02-2003, 12:20 AM	#18
Rynoah, the Overly-Happy Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Arizona Posts: 474	Yes, the sword was complete. They just didn't show it past the hilt during the death scene. __________________ Spook the spook of spookish spookdom to spook the spooked spookers. ?!?! This isn't Osgiliath! Do the wave for Boromir the Disco King! Eat squid for Boromir the Disco King!

09-02-2011, 03:05 PM	#19
sassyfriend Wight Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 165	You guys picking on 2 of my favorites!!!!! And yes it is Boromir's sword not Aragorn's.