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Anastasia · 09-09-2002, 01:16 PM

I think that they made Boromir and Galadriel seem evil and dubious, because when i saw the movie (before i read the book) i came out seriously thinking that Boromir or Aragorn (i kept confusing them) had turned evil and Galadriel was just freaky and also weird. I wonder, is it just me, or does anyone else agree with me?

Morquesse · 09-09-2002, 01:41 PM

I liked the way they did Boromir. Sure he wanted the Ring badly at first, but he could not help it, and he kind of 'repented' at the end. Now Galadriel is a very different case. I also think she was freaky, but perhaps in the Extended Version they will put some scenes that would help with her not seem so scary. ~M

Donisile Of Mirkwood · 09-09-2002, 02:15 PM

I thought she looked scary too,Boromir was done right,Aragorn gave looks sometime like he was evil, but i have read the books so i i knew he wasn't.

09-10-2002, 02:30 PM

Galadriel is an Elf, Elfs are weird poeple you know... Boromir was done right on the part that he gets obsessed by the Ring. But I tought that Boromir was an incredible strong men and looked like a Giant of a man. Know the Actor (Don't know the name at the moment) did a good job but he doesn't look like the Giant of a man I thought Boromir was.

Arwen Imladris · 09-10-2002, 02:37 PM

Boromir seems kind of evil even in the books so there is not much hope for him in the movie.Galadriel: I know people who didn't read the books but saw the movie and thought that she was a bad guy. THat should not happen. It is O.K. for her to be freaky but she should not seem so .. evil. She is definatly a good person. Even if she is an elf.

Mattius · 09-10-2002, 03:55 PM

Lord of the change, the actor who played Boromir is the great Sean Bean who is from my home town of Sheffield. I found it really funny when he said, "We must take the Gap of Rohan and take the East road to my city!" I thought he could be talking about Sheffield rather than Minas Tirith.

ESTEN · 09-11-2002, 12:44 PM

Boroimir wasn't evil, but was just compled to try and help his people. As stated in the movie his people have been dying keeping the ever growing forces of mordor at bay. As a good future Stewart af the area he wishes to help his people. That is why he craves the ring. At the end when the frodo leaves he is aware of what he has done. the ring lso wants Boromir to have it because he would take it and try and beat Saurmon, he would loose and the evil lord woul have the ring back

Arwen Imladris · 09-11-2002, 02:31 PM

Boromir isn't evil per say, but I still don't like im because of what he did to poor Frodo. Boromir was power hungry like his father. If he lived he would have been just like his father, who was willing to kill himself and his son. Also, anyone who dosn't like gandalf or aragorn is just not cool.

Firondoiel · 09-11-2002, 03:34 PM

Why does everyone not like the movie Galadriel? I thought she was perfect. She is supposed to come across the way she did.

Morai · 09-11-2002, 05:16 PM

This is my opinion: To me in the book, Galadriel was kind and beautiful. In the movie she seemed more sinister and mysteroius.I like the Galadriel in the book more.

InklingElf · 09-11-2002, 05:30 PM

...I agree with Morai-I thought Galadriel was much gentle in the book. I didn't like Celeborn much too-he didn't deliver his lines as well as i expected

09-12-2002, 04:58 PM

When my mom saw the movie for the first time with me, she kept leaning over and asking if Galadriel was bad. I kept telling her that all the elves in the movie are good, but until she read the book, I don't think she quite believed me.[ September 12, 2002: Message edited by: Nevfeniel ]

InklingElf · 09-12-2002, 06:38 PM

heh-I know just how you feel lol

MYyyPreciousSS · 09-14-2002, 02:34 PM

I thought Boromir was done perfectly. I also like the Galadriel in the movie. It might not have been exactly how she seemed in the book, but I actually like the movie version better, makes her more mysterious.

Bill Ferny · 09-16-2002, 02:12 PM

I thought Jackson did a great job with both Boromir and Galadriel.Tolkien, himself, was a bit uncertain about the character of Galadriel. At one point (probably before he wrote LotR) Tolkien portrayed her as an ambitious elf who wanted to forge for herself a realm in Middle Earth. She rebelled against the Valar because of this desire (though she did not join with Feanor), and she was banned from returning to the west. This seems to be the notion that Tolkien had in mind when he wrote the LotR, and the test of the ring is what finally redeemed her in the eyes of the Valar. Elsewhere, though, Tolkien is more kind to Galadriel, especially in writings he jotted down after he wrote LotR. To be sure her character is a sticking point.Jackson, however, was inclined toward Tolkien’s notion of an ambitious elf in exile, seeking redemption, and being tempted otherwise. Kate Blanchet brilliantly portrayed an aloof, fallen and world weary character walking a thin line between the darkness of Middle Earth’s doom and the bliss of Valinor.Jackson also portrayed, in my mind, an excellent Boromir. Boromir was torn between the wisdom of this world, and the wisdom of God, to put it in a biblical way. He was a good man, inclined to “goof off” with the hobbits, but also tempted beyond measure by a seemingly unlimited source of power that he thought could save his troubled people. He was convincing as a good man tempted to justify the means by the end.

09-16-2002, 03:33 PM

Boromir: He is much better portrayed in the movie than in the book. The book Boromir is a proud, almost arrogant man, proud of his lineage and his home. He thinks of his line, the Stewards, as true rulers, in place of an absentee king who'll never come back. But he is also hasty and above discretion. When the Company leaves Rivendell, Boromir decides to blow his horn for all the valley to hear, be it friend or foe. He also does some rather foolish things like throw rocks into the Moria water (which was done by the hobbits in the movie). PJ did a great job in extracting the human side of Boromir and downplaying his faults, making him more sympathetic. Both are not evil men, just made the wrong choices.

09-09-2002, 01:16 PM	#1
Anastasia Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: London Posts: 91	Evil ones I think that they made Boromir and Galadriel seem evil and dubious, because when i saw the movie (before i read the book) i came out seriously thinking that Boromir or Aragorn (i kept confusing them) had turned evil and Galadriel was just freaky and also weird. I wonder, is it just me, or does anyone else agree with me? __________________ Aw, you've done grand, laddie! Now you know what you have to do: Burn the house down. Burn 'em all! ~The Leprechaun from The Simpsons.

09-09-2002, 01:41 PM	#2
Morquesse Wight Join Date: May 2002 Location: Past the fields we know.... Posts: 202	I liked the way they did Boromir. Sure he wanted the Ring badly at first, but he could not help it, and he kind of 'repented' at the end.<BR>Now Galadriel is a very different case. I also think she was freaky, but perhaps in the Extended Version they will put some scenes that would help with her not seem so scary.<BR>~M __________________ I'm not ashamed to let you know I want this light in me to show. I'm not ashamed to speak the name of Jesus Christ.~Newsboys

09-09-2002, 02:15 PM	#3
Donisile Of Mirkwood Animated Skeleton Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: UK Posts: 36	I thought she looked scary too,Boromir was done right,Aragorn gave looks sometime like he was evil, but i have read the books so i i knew he wasn't. __________________ Let it not be said and said unto your shame that there was beauty here before you came.

09-10-2002, 02:30 PM	#4
the_lord_of_change Guest Posts: n/a	Galadriel is an Elf, Elfs are weird poeple you know... <P>Boromir was done right on the part that he gets obsessed by the Ring. But I tought that Boromir was an incredible strong men and looked like a Giant of a man. Know the Actor (Don't know the name at the moment) did a good job but he doesn't look like the Giant of a man I thought Boromir was.

09-10-2002, 02:37 PM	#5
Arwen Imladris Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a box with a fox Posts: 1,347	Boromir seems kind of evil even in the books so there is not much hope for him in the movie.<P>Galadriel: I know people who didn't read the books but saw the movie and thought that she was a bad guy. THat should not happen. It is O.K. for her to be freaky but she should not seem so .. evil. She is definatly a good person. Even if she is an elf. __________________ "Wake up! Wake up! Wake up, sleepies, we must go, yes, we must go at once."

09-10-2002, 03:55 PM	#6
Mattius Soul of Fire Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: City of Steel Posts: 666	Lord of the change, the actor who played Boromir is the great Sean Bean who is from my home town of Sheffield. I found it really funny when he said, "We must take the Gap of Rohan and take the East road to my city!" I thought he could be talking about Sheffield rather than Minas Tirith. __________________ A problem shared is a problem halved, so is your problem really yours or just half of someone else's?

09-11-2002, 12:44 PM	#7
ESTEN Animated Skeleton Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Down the Rabbit hole Posts: 36	Boroimir wasn't evil, but was just compled to try and help his people. As stated in the movie his people have been dying keeping the ever growing forces of mordor at bay. As a good future Stewart af the area he wishes to help his people. That is why he craves the ring. At the end when the frodo leaves he is aware of what he has done. the ring lso wants Boromir to have it because he would take it and try and beat Saurmon, he would loose and the evil lord woul have the ring back<BR>

09-11-2002, 02:31 PM	#8
Arwen Imladris Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a box with a fox Posts: 1,347	Boromir isn't evil per say, but I still don't like im because of what he did to poor Frodo. Boromir was power hungry like his father. If he lived he would have been just like his father, who was willing to kill himself and his son. Also, anyone who dosn't like gandalf or aragorn is just not cool. __________________ "Wake up! Wake up! Wake up, sleepies, we must go, yes, we must go at once."

09-11-2002, 03:34 PM	#9
Firondoiel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Mirkwood Posts: 571	Why does everyone not like the movie Galadriel? I thought she was perfect. She is supposed to come across the way she did. __________________ "Forth, and fear no darkness. Arise. Arise, Riders of Théoden. Spears shall be shaken, shields shall be splintered. A sword day, a red day, ere the sun rises! Ride now! Ride now! Ride! Ride for ruin and the world's ending!"

09-11-2002, 05:16 PM	#10
Morai Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2002 Location: Where young people go to retire Posts: 709	This is my opinion:<BR>To me in the book, Galadriel was kind and beautiful.<BR>In the movie she seemed more sinister and mysteroius.<P>I like the Galadriel in the book more. __________________ "So why the safe distance, this curious look? Why tear out single pages when you can throw away the book? Why pluck one string when you can strum the guitar? MeWithoutYou http://fortyfifthparadox.com

09-11-2002, 05:30 PM	#11
InklingElf Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 402	...I agree with Morai-I thought Galadriel was much gentle in the book. I didn't like Celeborn much too-he didn't deliver his lines as well as i expected

09-12-2002, 04:58 PM	#12
nevfeniel Guest Posts: n/a	When my mom saw the movie for the first time with me, she kept leaning over and asking if Galadriel was bad. I kept telling her that all the elves in the movie are good, but until she read the book, I don't think she quite believed me.<p>[ September 12, 2002: Message edited by: Nevfeniel ]

09-12-2002, 06:38 PM	#13
InklingElf Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 402	heh-I know just how you feel lol

09-14-2002, 02:34 PM	#14
MYyyPreciousSS Wight Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: the Here and Now Posts: 113	I thought Boromir was done perfectly. <BR>I also like the Galadriel in the movie. It might not have been exactly how she seemed in the book, but I actually like the movie version better, makes her more mysterious. __________________ Then the heart of Éowyn changed, or else at last she understood it. And suddenly her winter passed, and the sun shone on her. "My Preciousss" - the line that started the obsession.

09-16-2002, 02:12 PM	#15
Bill Ferny Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Bree Posts: 390	I thought Jackson did a great job with both Boromir and Galadriel.<P>Tolkien, himself, was a bit uncertain about the character of Galadriel. At one point (probably before he wrote LotR) Tolkien portrayed her as an ambitious elf who wanted to forge for herself a realm in Middle Earth. She rebelled against the Valar because of this desire (though she did not join with Feanor), and she was banned from returning to the west. This seems to be the notion that Tolkien had in mind when he wrote the LotR, and the test of the ring is what finally redeemed her in the eyes of the Valar. Elsewhere, though, Tolkien is more kind to Galadriel, especially in writings he jotted down after he wrote LotR. To be sure her character is a sticking point.<P>Jackson, however, was inclined toward Tolkien’s notion of an ambitious elf in exile, seeking redemption, and being tempted otherwise. Kate Blanchet brilliantly portrayed an aloof, fallen and world weary character walking a thin line between the darkness of Middle Earth’s doom and the bliss of Valinor.<P>Jackson also portrayed, in my mind, an excellent Boromir. Boromir was torn between the wisdom of this world, and the wisdom of God, to put it in a biblical way. He was a good man, inclined to “goof off” with the hobbits, but also tempted beyond measure by a seemingly unlimited source of power that he thought could save his troubled people. He was convincing as a good man tempted to justify the means by the end. __________________ I prefer Gillaume d’Férny, connoisseur of fine fruit.

09-16-2002, 03:33 PM	#16
sea-elf Guest Posts: n/a	Boromir: He is much better portrayed in the movie than in the book. The book Boromir is a proud, almost arrogant man, proud of his lineage and his home. He thinks of his line, the Stewards, as true rulers, in place of an absentee king who'll never come back. But he is also hasty and above discretion. When the Company leaves Rivendell, Boromir decides to blow his horn for all the valley to hear, be it friend or foe. He also does some rather foolish things like throw rocks into the Moria water (which was done by the hobbits in the movie). PJ did a great job in extracting the human side of Boromir and downplaying his faults, making him more sympathetic. Both are not evil men, just made the wrong choices.