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Blossom of Dwimordene
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The question is really straightfoward. Where do hobbits come from?
It is known that Eru planned on creating (and created) elves and humans. He allowed Dwarves to exist for Aule's sake. But where do hobbits come from? Were they also "planned"? Are they some "lost tribe" of another race that got very short? How did they become what they are? Could it perhaps be the trace of their roots and origins? I haven't read the Unfinished Tales, Tolkien's letters, or any other source that could give me an answer. So can you smart people share your knowledge? ![]() I apologize if such a thread already exists.
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This has indeed been discussed before here, but there isn't a lot of concrete information to go on.
The Prologue to FOTR has the best information on the origins of Hobbits, though it isn't very specific. Quote:
It goes on to say that Hobbits began in the Elder Days, but since those histories were written mostly by Elves (who were either unaware of Hobbits or thought them beneath notice), how Hobbits "developed" as a separate group of Children of Ilśvatar was by the Third Age totally unknown for certain. I would include them as Children, of course. They take a major role in the events of the Third Age, as we all know, and thus, I think, must have been "designed" by Eru with that ultimate purpose in mind.
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From Letter 131:
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For myself, I take Hobbits to be a diminutive branch of humanity without evolving into Hobbits. In other words, I think they were short and hairy-footed from the beginning. They seem to have been 'gentle' from early on, at least, as Tolkien notes:
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In any case, if they were always basically 'Hobbits', they did change somewhat in size over time, and diverged in ways, considering the Harfoots and Stoors for example. As a branch of humanity, the Hobbits in The Lord of the Rings (at least) see themselves as distinct from Men, or the Big Folk, but they are mortal and leave the Circles of the World when they die (based on letter 325 for example). |
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Flores?
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Could hobbits, perhaps, be some humans who did not cross Ered Luin in the Sil? They could have been short from the start - there are white and dark humans, so why hot short ones?
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There are pygmy peoples in our own world still.
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