The Avari - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Kransha · 02-21-2004, 02:59 PM

Alright, I know there a plenty of varying threads about elves, but there is, in my opinion, a subject about elves which seems not to have been touched upon and should be.

I'm speaking of the Avari, one of the elf divisions who refused the summons of the Valar and did not go to dwell eternally in Valinor. These elves, also called "the Unwilling," if I remember correctly, remained in the far east in the lands surrounding the Water of Awakening, Cuivienen. Now, I've heard that many of these elves were in turn corrupted by Melkor and became orcs, but I couldn't find any proof of this statement.

My question is somewhat multi-faceted. What exactly happened to the Avari? Where they indeed the progenitors of the orcish race? Did they, perhaps, remain on Arda later than the elves of the west, lurking around the Sea of Helcar and the far eastern mountains? Are they of any importance whatsoever or did they simply die out during the ages?

02-21-2004, 02:59 PM	#1
Kransha Ubiquitous Urulóki Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: The port of Mars, where Famine, Sword, and Fire, leash'd in like hounds, crouch for employment Posts: 747	The Avari Alright, I know there a plenty of varying threads about elves, but there is, in my opinion, a subject about elves which seems not to have been touched upon and should be. I'm speaking of the Avari, one of the elf divisions who refused the summons of the Valar and did not go to dwell eternally in Valinor. These elves, also called "the Unwilling," if I remember correctly, remained in the far east in the lands surrounding the Water of Awakening, Cuivienen. Now, I've heard that many of these elves were in turn corrupted by Melkor and became orcs, but I couldn't find any proof of this statement. My question is somewhat multi-faceted. What exactly happened to the Avari? Where they indeed the progenitors of the orcish race? Did they, perhaps, remain on Arda later than the elves of the west, lurking around the Sea of Helcar and the far eastern mountains? Are they of any importance whatsoever or did they simply die out during the ages? __________________ "What mortal feels not awe/Nor trembles at our name, Hearing our fate-appointed power sublime/Fixed by the eternal law. For old our office, and our fame," -Aeschylus, Song of the Furies