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Old 07-15-2022, 09:28 AM   #7
Tar Elenion
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Tar Elenion has just left Hobbiton.
"3. Galadriel: "There had not yet been a sunrise.""

A contradiction to The Hobbit (rev.) and Lord of the Rings.

"Though their [the Wood-elves] magic was strong, even in those days they were wary. They differed from the High Elves of the West, and were more dangerous and less wise. For most of them (together with their scattered relations in the hills and mountains) were descended from the ancient tribes that never went to Faerie in the West. There the Light-elves and the Deep-elves and the Sea-elves went and lived for ages, and grew fairer and wiser and more learned, and invented their magic and their cunning craft, in the making of beautiful and marvellous things, before some came back into the Wide World. In the Wide World the Wood-elves lingered in the twilight of our Sun and Moon but loved best the stars; and they wandered in the great forests that grew tall in lands that are now lost."
The Hobbit, Flies and Spiders
Wood-elves linger in the twilight of the sun and moon before the High Elves return to Middle-earth.
Note that Tolkien deliberately revised this passage to have an extant sun and moon (see Anderson's The Annotated Hobbit).

"The world was young, the mountains green,
No stain yet on the Moon was seen,
No words were laid on stream or stone
When Durin woke and walked alone.
[...]
A king he was on carven throne
In many-pillared halls of stone
With golden roof and silver floor,
And runes of power upon the door.
The light of sun and star and moon
In shining lamps of crystal hewn
Undimmed by cloud or shade of night
There shone for ever fair and bright."
LotR, A Journey in the Dark

Durin wakes with a moon present, and is able to capture the light of sun, star and moon in crystal lamps.

Galadriel's song:
"I sang of leaves, of leaves of gold, and leaves of gold there grew:
Of wind I sang, a wind there came and in the branches blew.
Beyond the Sun, beyond the Moon, the foam was on the Sea,
And by the strand of Ilmarin there grew a golden Tree.
Beneath the stars of Ever-eve in Eldamar it shone,
In Eldamar beside the walls of Elven Tirion."
LotR, Farewell to Lorien

Gandalf's Ent riddle:
"Ere iron was found or tree was hewn,
When young was mountain under moon;
Ere ring was made, or wrought was woe,
It walked the forests long ago."
LotR, The Road to Isengard
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