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***Sharkû*** · 08-08-2000, 12:31 PM

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/bluepal.jpg" align=absmiddle> Malicia!

The lesser evil beings and people would certainly have been evil even without Melkor, I daresay. It was probably only just (and I think the books encourage this opinion) that they followed Melkor out of their free will, because he assuredly was the mightiest of them. To have a chance against the outnumbering Valar, they had to join their efforts under the leadership of the greatest. Those who, such as Ungolianth, could easily hide from the Valar in a distant place guarded by a shadow-web, and who did share Melkor´s megalomaniac vision of ruling the universe, stayed away from the events.
I also believe that even if any of Melkor´s followers, including Sauron, could have foreseen their fate, they would still have made the same decision to support and follow Melkor. What other choice would the have had? Sauron could have stayed among the Valar, his mind, incited with Melkor´s genius of evil, more and more turning to hatred of those he lived among. The evil Maiar could not have avoided a confrontation with the Valar (I am loath to use the term "good" ,even as an opoosite to evil, because being egocentric is not always good only because good deeds may be the side-effect...). And in this confrontation they would not have had a bigger chance than they would have had had they followed Him Who Arises In Might; no doubt they were well aware of this circumstance.
Better to seek out what one can do with his whole effort joint into a group of like-minded than to yield and refute from the beginning, right?
Maybe this assigns a honourable attitude to the evil side which it never had, but even if it did not, most of the malicious beings would have followed Melkor in belief of his claim to be the King of the World and the Master of the fates of Arda.

Well, doesn´t this sound somewhat confused. Anyhow.
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08-08-2000, 12:31 PM	#18
*Sharkû* Hungry Ghoul Join Date: Jun 2000 Posts: 1,719	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hungry Ghoul Posts: 0</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/bluepal.jpg" align=absmiddle> Malicia! The lesser evil beings and people would certainly have been evil even without Melkor, I daresay. It was probably only just (and I think the books encourage this opinion) that they followed Melkor out of their free will, because he assuredly was the mightiest of them. To have a chance against the outnumbering Valar, they had to join their efforts under the leadership of the greatest. Those who, such as Ungolianth, could easily hide from the Valar in a distant place guarded by a shadow-web, and who did share Melkor´s megalomaniac vision of ruling the universe, stayed away from the events. I also believe that even if any of Melkor´s followers, including Sauron, could have foreseen their fate, they would still have made the same decision to support and follow Melkor. What other choice would the have had? Sauron could have stayed among the Valar, his mind, incited with Melkor´s genius of evil, more and more turning to hatred of those he lived among. The evil Maiar could not have avoided a confrontation with the Valar (I am loath to use the term "good" ,even as an opoosite to evil, because being egocentric is not always good only because good deeds may be the side-effect...). And in this confrontation they would not have had a bigger chance than they would have had had they followed Him Who Arises In Might; no doubt they were well aware of this circumstance. Better to seek out what one can do with his whole effort joint into a group of like-minded than to yield and refute from the beginning, right? Maybe this assigns a honourable attitude to the evil side which it never had, but even if it did not, most of the malicious beings would have followed Melkor in belief of his claim to be the King of the World and the Master of the fates of Arda. Well, doesn´t this sound somewhat confused. Anyhow. <img src=devil.gif ALT=":evil"> </p>