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Old 09-15-2000, 11:53 AM   #10
Michael Martinez
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Re: New Silmarillion

<blockquote>Quote:<hr> 9+ years was used, yup, but is like clearly shown in MYTHS TRANSFORMED; Aman and Mortal men to be abandoned and replaced with 144=1 Valian with associated reasonin along with reference to unpublished notes for confirmation and relevant (same section) published text concernin the lifespan of men. <hr></blockquote>

Wrong. What is shown in &quot;Myths Transformed&quot; is that JRRT was going to revise the entire cosmology, not that he was going to slip 144 solar years into the place of the 9.58 solar years in the calculations for &quot;Annals of Aman&quot;.

&quot;Annals of Aman&quot; belongs to a different cosmology. In the second end note to the &quot;Aman&quot; essay Christopher Tolkien writes:

<blockquote>Quote:<hr> It will be seen that, as a consequence of the transformation of the 'cosmogonic myth', a wholly new conception of the 'Valian Year' had entered. The elaborate computation of Time in the Annals of Aman (see pp. 49-51,59-60) was based on the 'cycle' of the Two Trees that had ceased to exist in relation to the diurnal movement of the Sun that had come into being -- there was a 'new reckoning'. But the 'Valian Year' is now, as it appears, a 'unit of perception' of the passage of Time of Arda, derived from the capacity of the Valar to perceive at such intervals the process of the ageing of Arda from its beginning to its end. See note 5.<hr></blockquote>

Note 5 reads:

<blockquote>Quote:<hr> There is now a vast discrepancy between Valian Years and 'mortal years'; cf. also 'his whole life would last little more than one half-year' (p. 42<img src=cool.gif ALT="8)"> , 'In the seventh part of a year a Man could be born and become full-grown' (p. 429). In notes not given in this book, in which my father was calculating on this basis the time of the Awakening of Men, he expressly stated that 144 Sun years = 1 Valian Year (in this connection see Appendix D to The Lord of the Rings<img src=mad.gif ALT=">:"> 'It seems clear that the Eldar in Middle-earth...reckoned in long periods, and the Quenya word yen really means 144 of our years'). Placing the event 'after or about the time of the sack of Utumno, Valian Year 1100' (see pp. 75,80), a gigantic lapse of time could now be conceived between the 'arising' of Men and their first appearance in Beleriand.<hr></blockquote>

Note 4 asserts that &quot;presumably, the old structure of dates in the chronicle of Aman may be retained, although the meaning of those dates in terms of Middle-earth will be radically different.&quot; i.e., in the transformation to the new cosmogonic myth, Tolkien hoped to retain as much of the original Valian Year chronology as possible, but it is not possible to reverse-transform the 144 Solar Year = 1 Valian Year identification to &quot;Annals of Aman&quot;.





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