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***Sharkû*** · 08-10-2000, 02:32 AM

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<img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/bloody.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: ???

In order not to let this "Galadriel"-topic stray even more afar from its original sense, I´d just like to explain to Taimar the reasons which led me to my, rather bold and probably tactless - sorry if so - labelling of Guernica.
Guernica was long known as a place of hard republican resistance, many high-ranked communists who were in contact with Stalin resided there. The aim of the attack which went so terribly wrong was to bomb the "bridge and the diverging road way eastward of Guernica" (German order, 4/26/1937). 23 planes were involved, sight was bad, the aiming systems of the JU 52 ("Stukas&quot

were not equipped for pinpoint-attacks. Because of this, a part of the bombs fell on the town, where most of the citizens were luckily guarded in cellars and bunkers. A third of Guernica was damaged. After extinguishing and recovery works, 226 people were found to be dead. Communist propaganda later multiplied this number by 10. Even reeducationary works like the "Great Encyclopedia of the Third Reich" admit that the death toll hovers between 100 and 1600, and that it is possible "that a part of the destruction was only after the raid committed by republican milices and Basque miners ("Dinamiteros&quot

in order to leave nothing of use to the advancing enemy (following the principle of "Burnt Earth&quot

".
I know that Guernica is often used to show the cruel atrocities committed by the German side. With the above facts in mind, I just think that is a bad example, nothing else. I never had the intention of justifying or making appear less the atrocities and crimes committed by Germans and their allies during the twelve years of NS. This, in my country, illegal behaviour, never lay at the heart of my discussion, and I think that I never have done so, or could have been percepted of doing so. It is just that I would like people to be less ready to use Germany, especially during WWII, as the example of everything evil, even like Sauron. I guess you can understand this, because although I am by no means a supporter of Nazism, it still affects me since my ancestors are WWII-Germans who never were followers of Hitler.
Of course I apologize sincerely if I hurt anybody´s feelings through my non-conformistic views; I´d regret having done so deeply.
For the sake of this Middle-Earth discussion board, I would now propose to let the historical topics rest for good if everybody can accept my apologies. And I solemnly promise to remain silent in the future when it comes to this field again.

</p>Edited by <A HREF=http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_profile&u=00000003>Sharku</A> at: 8/10/00 5:23:29 am

08-10-2000, 02:32 AM	#19
*Sharkû* Hungry Ghoul Join Date: Jun 2000 Posts: 1,719	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hungry Ghoul Posts: 0</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> <img src="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/posticons/bloody.jpg" align=absmiddle> Re: ??? In order not to let this "Galadriel"-topic stray even more afar from its original sense, I´d just like to explain to Taimar the reasons which led me to my, rather bold and probably tactless - sorry if so - labelling of Guernica. Guernica was long known as a place of hard republican resistance, many high-ranked communists who were in contact with Stalin resided there. The aim of the attack which went so terribly wrong was to bomb the "bridge and the diverging road way eastward of Guernica" (German order, 4/26/1937). 23 planes were involved, sight was bad, the aiming systems of the JU 52 ("Stukas&quot were not equipped for pinpoint-attacks. Because of this, a part of the bombs fell on the town, where most of the citizens were luckily guarded in cellars and bunkers. A third of Guernica was damaged. After extinguishing and recovery works, 226 people were found to be dead. Communist propaganda later multiplied this number by 10. Even reeducationary works like the "Great Encyclopedia of the Third Reich" admit that the death toll hovers between 100 and 1600, and that it is possible "that a part of the destruction was only after the raid committed by republican milices and Basque miners ("Dinamiteros&quot in order to leave nothing of use to the advancing enemy (following the principle of "Burnt Earth&quot ". I know that Guernica is often used to show the cruel atrocities committed by the German side. With the above facts in mind, I just think that is a bad example, nothing else. I never had the intention of justifying or making appear less the atrocities and crimes committed by Germans and their allies during the twelve years of NS. This, in my country, illegal behaviour, never lay at the heart of my discussion, and I think that I never have done so, or could have been percepted of doing so. It is just that I would like people to be less ready to use Germany, especially during WWII, as the example of everything evil, even like Sauron. I guess you can understand this, because although I am by no means a supporter of Nazism, it still affects me since my ancestors are WWII-Germans who never were followers of Hitler. Of course I apologize sincerely if I hurt anybody´s feelings through my non-conformistic views; I´d regret having done so deeply. For the sake of this Middle-Earth discussion board, I would now propose to let the historical topics rest for good if everybody can accept my apologies. And I solemnly promise to remain silent in the future when it comes to this field again. </p>Edited by <A HREF=http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_profile&u=00000003>Sharku</A> at: 8/10/00 5:23:29 am