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Old 03-28-2001, 01:23 AM   #63
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Re: 5.4b Outline

Michael , I much appreciate your encouragement and support.
Aiwendil posted:
&quot;I'm merely trying to point out the difficulties inherent in this particular approach - not
insurmountable, I hope, but worthy of attention.&quot;
I did not take your critique as anything more than what you intended, and indee I appreciate the feedback on the proposals. Ihave no illusions that my rough vision of the project is anywhere near clear enough to see all the obstacles in the road. The Fingolfin debate [whichever side one comes down on] shows just how much impact smallsections of the story have on the rest.

I posted the following some weeks back in this thread in response to Gwaihir who was/is interested in using a small bit of creative license in the current project, in response I spelled out a 'grand vision' [some might more aptly say hallucination <img src=smile.gif ALT=""> ] of the issues of:
2] Creative writing and the Silm Canon
3] fan fiction and Canon

It presupposes a fixed Silmarillion which has maximum content which could then be compressed, added to w/ creative writing [as in CRT's ruin of doriath], and supplemented w/ Fan-Fiction as in the expanded star wars universe].

<blockquote>Quote:<hr> &quot;Gwaihir, I propose [as 1 member of the project to another] as a solution to the creative writing issue - that you make 2 [or more ] versions of your sections
,[or anything you want to put your hand to] the one you post here could [I would say should] be the one that has only JRRT's words from Silm, UT and HoME.
The other version[s] , can be posted here [in their own thread or elsewhere as Gwaihir's Silm or whatever you like.

As a ray of hope let me out line the posible outcomes of our work .Which if agreed upon by the group allow at a future date full scope for your creative urges. I will attach it to my outline at some point.

The following is a rough outline of possible outcomes which could flow from a new canon of the Silmarillion

1&gt; We [those of us at the Silm project here at the B'downs] work on drafts and outlines of the Silm here, doing enough work to be able to show the flavor and vision of the project.
2&gt; we send it or notice of it far and wide over the internet [legally iffy I know - Mithadan any professional advice ?] possibly w/ anonymous safeguards.
3&gt;A larger group that can work faster than 2 sections of a chapter per season forms and spends an indefinite amount of time hashing out an insanely
large # of details, and then begins on one or several fronts:
I. Non-MT- Flat World Version

A.This as I am hypothesizing would have no non published words/ideas/phrases/sentences /etc.
B. One using Creative Writing [or inspired forgery] as CRT did to attempt to fill out in a tolkienesque way the gaps inthe story esp. in the chapterson
Turin,Gondolin and the Ruin Doriath
C. the resultant commitee can also be arbiter for 'official-unathorized Fan- fiction'. Meaning since there is no [as yet] Lucas Books wing of the Tolkien estate
overseeingthe codification and further creation of writings of ME; we create an underground one that by shear #'s ,quality of work [I hope] and warmth of
community [I really hope] , becomes an established fact.Maybe an official one prob not. But a functional and organized one at least.This fan-fiction would all
have to be integrated both w/ the Canon of LotR/hobbit/RGEO and co. and the 'Canon' of the NewSilm. and most importantly w/ each of the other stories.

II.MT- Round World Version
repeat as above w/
A. being the 'drafts' of JRRT of an MT version and final text [mostly from I. above as it is adaptable].
B. as above , but far more abundantly.

III. Fan fiction -'authorized' by &quot; the Commitee for the Expansion of Middle-Earth&quot; or some such.

So hopefully by spelling out this pipedream [ I have alluded to it before - but never laid it out], I give a clear picture of my personal view of the posibilities of: :
A - this project
B - my thoughts on the scope and place of and for creative writing
C - the problems w/ it being introduced at this phase
[it would muddle the ground of pure JRRT/CRT canon from which other creativ/FF can grow]
D - a vision of integrated fan -fiction <hr></blockquote>

That is the overall context that I put an initial New Silmarillion into:
A] establish Canon/Text
B] elaborate w/ a more balanced , fleshed out Silmarillion [if any one feels they / actuallydoes have the knack of imitating Tolkien's stlye and depth] This phase would I believe Aiwendil be more along the lines of satisfaction to you. But it would be far more difficult than Fan-fiction or Cutting and pasting [and updating JRRT]
C] use the above 2 as a canonical springboard for other peices such as say 'The green -elves and their coming to to beleriand' or 'Of Cirdan and the Havens of Brithombar and Eglareset' etc.

Much will most certainlydialouge is needed to clarify ideas, weed out tares and troubleshoot problems. I know everytime
there is a major discussion on one point [Kings of the Noldor, Celeborn, Myth's Transformed etc. - I come away w/ a better picturte of the whole and parts than I started with, so I have no illusions that any of the above enumerations are anything more than springboards.]

Lindil is oft found on posting on the Silmarillion Project at the Barrowdowns and working on a new Elven/Christian discussion board<a href="" >Osanwe-Kenta</a> 'The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night, and awaken early before dawn- exchanging lore and wisdom such as they possessed , so that they should not fall back into the mean and low estate of those , who never knew or more sadly still, had indeed rebelled against the Light.' </p>Edited by: <A HREF=>lindil</A> at: 4/1/01 6:24:06 am
The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night exchanging lore & wisdom such as they still possessed that they should not fall back into the mean estate of those who never knew or indeed rebelled against the Light.
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