[Findegil]

As I made a kind of connected / parallel editing of the account of the War of Powers and its aftermath here and in Notes on Motives in the Silmarillion, it does not make any sense to withhold the result here. Sorry Aiwendil if this renders some of your effort useless. To your relieve you will find as good as nothing added from MT. But you might still have some Frankenstein-feeling since the amount of LT material has been ‘enhanced’. But I think it should be bearable.
As a matter of fact I tried first to stick to Aiwendil’s story line as given in my post and when I produced the draft text, I was very optimistic about its success, and posted the draft for Notes on Motives in the Silmarillion. But when I wrote in the remark about my editing CE-EX-39.1 my hope nearly fell to despair. That fatal comment read originally thus (see specially the underlined part):

In LT there has never been a second trial. Melkor did never sue for pardon, the doom was set and Melkor was handled accordingly, his time of punishment was only somewhat shortened due to the Valar’s joy about the coming of the Elves. In the later versions Melkor sues for pardon only after his imprisonment. But in MT VI we have him now sue for pardon much earlier (in the original text already in Utumno, in our version at the council of his doom – I think this the most critical fact about this editing: by setting the suing for pardon at this place we create a fact in Middle-earth without any hint that Tolkien meant it to be so). But MT VI says at the end that ‘The rest of the story, with Melkor's release … can then proceed more or less as already told.’ As we have no more specific information what Tolkien meant with the ‘more or less’, principal 2b forces us to go with a second trial and Melkor suing for pardon twice.

But I am not more easily daunted by such issues as Manwë is by Melkor’s gaze! The first way out of this dilemma I thought about comes from these passages from MT VII and UT, Istari: ‘He[ Manwë], like Melkor, practically never is seen or heard of outside or far away from his own halls and permanent residence.’ ‘Manwë will not descend from the Mountain until Dagor Dagorath, and the coming of the End, when Melkor returns.’ At least the UT text is seemingly later than every text we work with here including MT VI. Taken to be literary truth that would mean Manwë is completely out of the campaign against Utumno and thus the first possible meeting of Manwë and Melkor is at council. But in that way we would sacrifice a lot:
- It seems strange to me if Manwë first orders the war against Melkor and then stays home, but in the end that is what Denethor would call the duty of a wise ruler.
- We never see Manwë stepping upon the blue chariot and wielding the bow that fired gusts of wind nor the sword of lightning to slay the Balrogs.
- The Balrogs can assail ‘the standard of Manwë’, but can they be ‘withered by the wind of his wrath’ when he is far away at the Mountain of Taniquetil? Probably yes, figuratively, but it is a stretch.
- All conversation with Manwë before the gate must be given to someone else or skipped.
At that point in my thought, I decided against Aiwendil’s Story line and remembered one of our best friends in editing: ambiguity.
The text that follows tries to combine both AAm/LQ story line and MT VI story line with both nearly unchanged. And since the plan is now to have MT VI as a whole, it should not be used (much) here and thus avoid the Frankenstein-effect.
The basic idea is the following: Change the text here in a way that Manwë and Melkor meet only after Melkor is bound and hint only at Manwë’s reaction to it as given in full in MT VI. Change MT VI so that Melkor is defeated by Tulkas and bound but than meets Manwë still at Utumno and sues for pardon right there. The changes necessary to MT VI will be discussed in the thread Notes on Motives in the Silmarillion.
Since the text is heavily edited, it makes no sense to reduce the text and I give it in full. Remarks on my editing will follow the text.

And Manwë said to the Valar: 'This is the counsel of Ilúvatar in my heart: that we should CE-SL-11.5c{take up again the mastery of Arda, }<AAm make war upon Melkor> at whatsoever cost, and deliver the Quendi from the shadows{ of Melkor}.' Then Tulkas was glad; but Aulë was grieved, and it is said that he (and others of the Valar) had before been unwilling to strive with Melkor, foreboding the hurts of the world that must come of that strife{.} CE-EX-28b <LT ; and of the redes there spoken the {Gods}[Valar] devised a plan of wisdom, and the thought of Ulmo was therein and much of the craft of Aulë and the wide knowledge of Manwë. Behold, Aulë now gathered six metals, copper, silver, tin, lead, iron, and gold, and taking a portion of each made with his {magic}[power] a seventh which he named CE-EX-28.2{therefore }tilkal,{[Footnote to the text: T(ambe) I(lsa) L(atuken) K(anu) A(nga) L(aure). ilsa and laure are the {'magic'}[poetic] names of ordinary telpe and kulu.]} and this had all the properties of the six and many of its own. Its colour was bright green or red in varying lights and it could not be broken, and Aulë alone could forge it. Thereafter he forged a mighty chain, making it of all seven metals welded with spells to a substance of uttermost hardness and brightness and smoothness, but of tilkal he had not sufficient to add more than a little to each link. Nonetheless he made two manacles of tilkal only and four fetters likewise. Now the chain was named {Angaino}[Angainor] CE-EX-28.4, the oppressor, and the manacles Vorotemnar that bind for ever, but the fetters Ilterendi for they might not be filed or cleft.>CE-EX-28.6
{§21 }But now the Valar made ready and came forth from Aman in the strength of war, resolving to assault the CE-SL-12{fortress}[fortresses] of Melkor in the North CE-SL-12.1{ and make an end}. CE-EX-30 <LT Now as Aulë smithied the {Gods}[Valar] arrayed themselves in armour, CE-EX-31{ which they had of Makar, and he was fain to see them} putting on weapons and going as to warCE-EX-32{, howso their wrath be directed against Melko}. But when the great {Gods}[Valar] and all their folk were armed, then Manwë climbed into his blue chariot whose three horses were the whitest that roamed in Oromë's domain, and his hand bore a great white bow that would shoot an arrow like a gust of wind across the widest seas. CE-EX-33{Fionwe his son stood behind him and Nornore}[Eönwë] who was his herald ran before; but Oromë rode alone upon CE-EX-34{a chestnut}[Nahar his] horse and had a spear, and Tulkas strode mightily beside his stirrup, having a tunic of hide and a brazen belt and no weapon save a gauntlet upon his right hand, iron-bound. CE-EX-35{Telimektar his son but just war-high was by his shoulder with a long sword girt about his waist by a silver girdle. }There rode the {Fanturi}[Fëanturi] upon a car of black, and there was a black horse upon the side of Mandos and a dappled grey upon the side of Lóriën, and Salmar {and Omar }came behind running speedily, but Aulë who was late tarrying overlong at his smithy came last, and he was not armed, but caught up his long-handled hammer as he left his forge and fared hastily to the borders of the Shadowy Sea, and the fathoms of his chain were borne behind by four of his smithy-folk.
Upon those shores Falman-Ossë met them and drew them across on a mighty raft whereon he himself sat in shimmering mail; but Ulmo Vailimo was far ahead roaring in his deep-sea car and trumpeting in wrath upon a horn of conches. Thus was it that the {Gods}[Valar] got them over the sea and through the isles, and set foot upon the wide lands, and marched in great power and anger ever more to the North. Thus they passed the Mountains of Iron and {Hisilome}[Hithlum] that lies dim beyond, and came to the rivers and hills of ice. There {Melko}[Melkor] shook the earth beneath them, and he made snow-capped heights to belch forth flame, yet for the greatness of their array his vassals who infested all their ways availed nothing to hinder them on their journey.> Never did Melkor forget that this war was made on behalf of the Elves and that they were the cause of his downfall. Yet they had no part in those deeds; and little do they know of the riding of the power of the West against the North in the beginning of their days, and of the fire and tumult of the Battle of the {Gods}[Valar]. CE-EX-35.5b{In those days the shape of Middle-earth was changed and broken and the seas were moved. }CE-SL-13{ Tulkas it was who at the last wrestled with Melkor and overthrew him.}CE-EX-36 <AAm
§48 Melkor met the onset of the Valar in the North-west of Middle-earth, and all that region was much broken. But this first victory of the hosts of the West was swift and easy, and the servants of Melkor fled before them to Utumno. Then the Valar marched over Middle-earth, and they set a guard over {Kuivienen}[Cuiviénen]; and thereafter the Quendi knew naught of the Great War of the {Gods}[Valar], save that the Earth shook and groaned beneath them, and the waters were moved; and in the North there were lights as of mighty fires. But after two years the Valar passed into CE-EX-37c <LT {There in }the deepest North beyond even the shattered pillar {Ringil}[of Illuin] , there they came upon the huge gates of deep {Utumna}[Utumno], and {Melko}[Melkor] shut them with great clangour before their faces.
Then Tulkas angered smote them thunderously with his great fist, and they rang and stirred not{, but Oromë alighting grasped his horn and blew such a blast thereon that they fled open instantly, and Manwë raised his immeasurable voice and bade Melko come forth}.>{the far North and}Thus began the long siege of Utumno.
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§49 }That siege was long and grievous, and many battles were fought before its gates of which naught but the rumour is known to the Quendi. Middle-earth was sorely shaken in that time, and the Great Sea that sundered it from Aman grew wide and deep. And the lands of the far North were all made desolate in those days, and so have ever remained; for there Utumno was delved exceeding deep, and its pits and caverns reached out far beneath the earth, and they were filled with fires and with great hosts of the servants of Melkor.
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§50 }It came to pass that at last the gates of Utumno were broken CE-EX-37d <LT , when{Then Tulkas angered smote them thunderously with his great fist, and they rang and stirred not, but} Oromë alighting grasped his horn and blew such a blast thereon that they fled open instantly, and Manwë raised his immeasurable voice and bade {Melko}[Melkor] come forth. CE-EX-38.1cBut though deep down within those halls {Melko}[Melkor] heard him and was in doubt, he would still not come>. Therefore Utumos CE-EX-37.5b{ and its} halls [h]were [/u]unroofed, and Melkor took refuge in the uttermost pit. Thence, seeing that all was lost (for that time), he sent forth on a sudden CE-EX-38 {a host of}<AAm, late scribbeld changes his> Balrogs, the last of his servants that remained <AAm, late scribbeld changes faithfull to him>, and they assailed the standard of Manwë, as it were a tide of flame. But they were withered in the wind of his wrath and slain with the lightning of his sword; and Melkor stood at last alone.>

CE-EX-39g<LT Then Manwë and Ulmo and all the {Gods}[Valar] were exceeding wroth{ at the subtlety and fawning insolence of his words}, and Tulkas would have started straightway raging down the narrow stairs that descended out of sight beyond the gates, but the others withheld him, and Aulë gave counsel that it was clear{ from Melko's words} that {he}[Melkor] was awake and wary{ in this matter, and it could most plainly be seen which of the Gods he was most in fear of and desired least to see standing in his halls} - "therefore," said he, "let us devise how {these twain}we may come upon him CE-EX-38.2b{ unawares and how fear may perchance drive him into betterment of ways}." To this Manwë assented, saying that all their force might scarce dig {Melko}[Melkor] from his stronghold CE-EX-38.3{, whereas that deceit must be very cunningly woven that would ensnare the master of guile. "Only by his pride is Melko assailable," quoth Manwe, }" or by such a struggle as would rend the earth and bring evil upon us all," and Manwë sought to avoid all strife twixt Ainur and Ainur.>
CE-EX-38.4c<LT{Then the Valar}Therefore Eönwë laid aside {their}[his] weapons at the gates, setting however folk to guard them, CE-EX-38.5c{and placed the chain Angaino about the neck and arms of Tulkas, and even he might scarce support its great weight alone;} and {now they follow Manwë and his }then Tulkas followed Manwë’s herald into the caverns of the North. There sat {Melko}[Melkor] in his chair, and that chamber was lit with flaming braziers and full of evil magic, and strange shapes moved with feverish movement in and out, but snakes of great size curled and uncurled without rest about the pillars that upheld that lofty roof.> CE-EX-38.51<AAm Then, since he was but one against many, Tulkas stood forth as champion of the Valar and wrestled with him>CE-EX-38.52<LT and {thereupon }Tulkas smote {Melko}[Melkor] full in his teeth with his fist of iron, and he {and Aulë }grappled with him, and straight he was wrapped thirty times in the fathoms of {Angaino}[Angainor].
Then said {Orome}[Eönwë]: "Would that he might be slain" – and it would have been well indeed, but the {great Gods}[Valar] may not yet be slain. Now {is}was {Melko}[Melkor] held in dire bondage and beaten to his knees CE-EX-38.53 , and he {is}was constrained to command all his vassalage that they molest not the Valar - and indeed the most of these, affrighted at the binding of their lord, fled away to the darkest places.
Tulkas indeed dragged {Melko}[Melkor] out before the gates, and there Aulë set upon each wrist one of the Vorotemnar and upon each ankle twain of the Ilterendi, and tilkal went red at the touch of {Melko}[Melkor] CE-EX-38.54, and those bands have never since been loosened from his hands and feet. Then the chain {is}was smithied to each of these. CE-EX-46.5b<AAm And Melkor sued for pardon at the feet of Manwë, and humbled himself, and swore to abide his rule, and to aid the Valar in all ways that he could, for the good of Arda, and the profit of Valar and of Eldar, if so he should be granted freedom, and a place as the least of all the folk of Valinor.> CE-EX-38.9c<LT In sooth Manwë hoped even to the end for peace and amity, and that the {Gods}[Valar] would at his bidding indeed have received {Melko}[Melkor] into Valinor under truce and pledges of friendship.> CE-EX-38.55b{ and}But {Melko}[Melkor] {borne}was led thus helpless away.>
CE-EX-38.91c<LQ {Nonetheless the}The CE-SL-17{fortress}fortresses of Melkor at Utumno and Angband had many mighty vaults and caverns hidden with deceit far under earth, and these the Valar did not all discover nor utterly destroy, and many evil things still lingered there; CE-EX-44d <LT thereforeTulkas and Ulmo {break the gates of Utumna and pile}piled hills of stone upon {them}the broken gates of Utumno. And the saps and cavernous places beneath the surface of the earth are full yet of the dark spirits that were prisoned that day when {Melko}[Melkor] was taken, and yet many are the ways whereby they find the outer world from time to time - from fissures where they shriek with the voices of the tide on rocky coasts, down dark water-ways that wind unseen for many leagues, or out of the blue arches where the glaciers of {Melko}[Melkor] find their end>; and others were dispersed in the years of that strife and fled into the dark and roamed in the waste places of the world, awaiting a more evil hour. CE-EX-44.1 <AAm Thus ended the first war of the West upon the North.>
CE-EX-45b <LT After these things did the {Gods}[Valar] return to {Valmar}[Valimar] by long ways and dark, guarding {Melko}[Melkor] every moment, and he gnawed his consuming rage. His lip was split and his face has had a strange leer upon it since that buffet dealt him by TulkasCE-EX-45.1{, who even of policy could not endure to see the majesty of Manwë bow before the accursed one}.
Now {is }a court was set upon the slopes of Taniquetil and {Melko}[Melkor] arraigned before all the {Vali}[Valar] great and small{, lying bound} and before the silver chair of Manwë. Against him {speaketh}spoke Ossë, and Oromë, and Ulmo in deep ire, and Vána in abhorrence, proclaiming his deeds of cruelty and violenceCE-EX-46b; yet {Makar still spake for him, although not warmly}[Melkor spoke for himself], for said he: "'Twerean ill thing if peace were for always: already no blow echoes ever in the eternal quietude of Valinor, wherefore, if one might neither see deed of battle nor riotous joy even in the world without, then 'twould be irksome indeed, and I for one long not for such times!" Thereat arose {Palúrien}[Kementári] in sorrow and tears, and told of the plight of Earth and of the great beauty of her designs and of those things she desired dearly to bring forth; of all the wealth of flower and herbage, of tree and fruit and grain that the world might bear if it had but peace. ‘Take heed, O Valar, that both Elves and Men be not devoid of all solace whenso the times come for them to find the Earth’; but {Melko}[Melkor] CE-SL-14writhed in rage at the name of Eldar and of Men and at his own impotence.
Now Aulë mightily backed her in this and after him many else of the {Gods}[Valar], yet Mandos and Lóriën held their peace, nor do they ever speak much at the councils of the Valar or indeed at other times, but Tulkas arose angrily from the midst of the assembly and went from among them, for he could not endure parleying where he thought the guilt to be clear. Liever would he have CE-SL-15bunchained {Melko}[Melkor] and fought him then and there alone upon the plain of Valinor, giving him many a sore buffet in meed of his illdoings, rather than making high debate of them. Howbeit Manwë sate and listened and was moved by the speech of {Palúrien}[Kementári], yet was it his thought that {Melko}[Melkor] was an Ainu and powerful beyond measure for the future good or evil of the world; wherefore he put away harshness and {his}the doom CE-EX-39f <MT; VI at the council> was this. For three ages during the displeasure of the {Gods}[Valar] should {Melko}[Melkor] be chained in a vault of Mandos by that chain {Angaino}[Angainor], CE-EX-39.1<LQ ere his cause should be tried again, or he should sue for pardon >and thereafter {should}might he fare into the light of the Two Trees, but only so that he might for {four ages}[a time] yet dwell as a servant in the house of Tulkas, and obey him in requital of his ancient malice. "Thus," said Manwë, "and yet but hardly, mayst thou win favour again sufficient that the {Gods}[Valar] suffer thee to abide thereafter in an house of thine own and to have some slight estate among them as befitteth a Vala and a lord of the Ainur."
Such was the doom of Manwë, and {even to Makar and Measse}[all the folk of Valinor] it seemed good, albeit Tulkas and {Palúrien}[Kementári] thought it merciful to peril.> CE-EX-47{and he}And Melkor was {bound with the chain Angainor that Aulë had wrought, and} led captive CE-SL-16b{; and the world had peace for a great age. Nonetheless the fortress of Melkor at Utumno had many mighty vaults and caverns hidden with deceit far under earth, and these the Valar did not all discover nor utterly destroy, and many evil things still lingered there; and others were dispersed and fled into the dark and roamed in the waste places of the world, awaiting a more evil hour.
§22 But when the Battle was ended and from the ruin of the North great clouds arose and hid the stars, the Valar drew Melkor back to Valinor bound hand and foot and blindfold, and he was cast} into prison in the halls of Mandos, from whence none have ever escaped save by the will of Mandos and Manwë, neither Vala, nor Elf, nor mortal Man. Vast are those halls and strong, and they were built in the north of the land of Aman. There was Melkor doomed to abide for {seven [>}three{]} ages longCE-SL-18b{, ere his cause should be tried again, or he should sue for pardon.}<moved from above ; and the world had peace for a great age.> CE-EX-47.5 <LT Now {doth}did Valinor enter upon its greatest time of peace, and all the earth beside, while {Melko}[Melkor] bideth in the deepest vaults of Mandos and his heart {grows}growed black within him.{
}Behold the tumults of the sea {abate}abated slowly, and the fires beneath the mountains {die}died; the earth {quakes}quaked no more and the fierceness of the cold and the stubbornness of the hills and rivers of ice {is}was melted to the uttermost North and to the deepest South{, even to the regions about Ringil and Helkar}.>

I know that the numbering of the changes has become mess by now, but it seems inescapable when shifting around passages from different texts in the way we did.
CE-SL-11.5c – CE-SL-13 & CE-EX-28b – CE-EX-38.2b & CE-EX-39g: I think, these changes have already been agreed upon.
CE-EX-38.3: Even if we discussed this before, I may add here that it seems important to me to show Manwë’s reluctance even during the campaign.
CE-EX-38.4c & CE-EX-38.5c: Now only Eönwë and Tulkas enter Utumno to allow Manwë meet Melkor only after the fight.
CE-EX-38.51: Here the real changes being. As desired I kept fight between Tulkas and Melkor. The version of AAm has the benefit of given an additional reason why it is Tulkas alone.
CE-EX-38.52: When we keep the fight, then I don’t see a good reason not to take up the details from LT. But of course we have to skip Aulë giving aid.
CE-EX-38.53: There is here no change, but the question is if we consider that there is still vassalage to be commanded.
CE-EX-38.54: The question here is of course if we can still say, that Melkor form that moment in history wore the Vorotemnar and Ilterendi for ever. In LT that was no question, since he never after gave up his bodily form. But in later versions (that we follow) he escapes from Valinor by going first north than giving up bodily form and going south to meet Ungoliant.
Nonetheless I think he can be said to wear them. My reason is that these fetters have to have some verry special properties to bind an ealar. And we have an example of a physical object ‘transported’ by an ‘unhoused’ ealar: Sauron lost his body during the drowning of Númenor, but he caried the One Ring back to Middle-earth. For sure Sauron did that by his own free will and desire, but still I think with the special properties mentioned above Melkor could have been forced to carry the fetters along even when ‘unhoused’.
CE-EX-46.5b: The strange numbering of this and the next change are due to my first editing. I think this is the ideal place to put Melkor’s suing and implicitly the trembling moment of realisation. That the full implication of this moment is only understood afterwards when reading the analysis of MT VI in volume 3 is a virtue and not a buck: reading the text here as it stands, the reader can still hope with Manwë that Melkor really repented and was only driven away from it by the harsh doom that Manwë had to announce to satisfy the other Valar.
I took Melkor’s suing not from MT VI, because I wanted that text be stay intact. Instead it comes from the telling of the council that granted Melkor freedom after the imprisonment in Mandos as told in AAm. Up to now we used in our version telling about that later council the text from LQ which differs slightly. If we in the end use the text from AAm for that later council we will exchange this passage with the LQ text, to avoid exact same wording.
For the necessity for Melkor to sue twice see the discussion about CE-EX-39.1 below.
CE-EX-38.9c: The passage comes from a totally different place in LT, but if we want to use MT VI completely at a later point, than we cannot butcher it to pieces to form our text here. And we needed some text here to make the plot in MT VI work: Manwë must be shown to be driven by the demand of the assembly to a harsher doom than what he would have preferred (and Melkor expected).
CE-EX-38.55b: Here we have a second concession to enable my edit of MT VI to work: Melkor must be able to kneel before Manwë not lay all the time prostrated before his feet. And if he can kneel down, he can walk by himself and must not be ‘borne’. When at first he was just ‘warped around’ with Angainor, it is clear that Tulkas has to drag him out of the pits of Utumno. But now he is bound by the fetters and the chain and done in a usual way a prisoner bound thus can stand, sit down, lay down or kneel down (on both knees and he might have difficulties to come up again) and walk by his own but he cannot run. You can of course bind down prisoner with fetters and a chain more restrictive as exemplified on Morgoth after the War of Wrath, but I do see a necessity here for more movement possibilities, which at least seem plausible.
CE-EX-38.91c & CE-SL-17 & CE-EX-44d: These are nearly unchanged from my last version. They explain why there was some remains of Angband usable later and how Utumno was closed for Melkor for ever. In addition they give some worthwhile information about Melkors creatures either reassembled later or found in strange places like the door-warden in the lake at the west gate of Moria.
CE-EX-44.1: I found this a worthwhile addition from AAm.
CE-EX-45b: I extended this passage to include the leer upon Melkor’s face. If we take up the fight than its result should also be included. Again the question must be answered why Melkor could not ‘remove’ that leer when he build up a new body. (When he is later injured by Fingolfin and Thorondor, he is permanently incarnated as Morogth, so that limping and scars naturally remained.) But it seems that the ealar when housed in a body could not avoid to take some of the damage done to that body to have lasting effect. We have again Sauron as prominent example: First he drips blood after he was realised by Huan even so he had shape-shifted, and more important he had still only nine fingers when he tortured Gollum even so he had to rebuild that body longer after his defeat by the last alliance.
CE-EX-45.1: This reason for the fight from LT has to go.
CE-EX-46b: I gave Makar’s speech for Melkor’s case to Melkor himself. He seems the only one fit for putting same value into strife and conflict. And we must assume that he was allowed to speak in defence of his case.
CE-SL-14: This was agreed upon already.
CE-SL-15b: This we had changed when Melkor was chained, but now since he is bound by Angainor it can stand unchanged.
CE-EX-39f: This is actually the only phrase taken from MT and its inclusion serves the same reason as explained in the discussion of CE-EX-38.9c above.
CE-EX-39.1: In LT there has never been a second trial. Melkor did never sue for pardon, the doom was set and Melkor was handled accordingly, his time of punishment was only somewhat shortened due to the Valar’s joy about the coming of the Elves. In the later versions Melkor sues for pardon only after his imprisonment. But in MT VI we have him now sue for pardon much earlier. But MT VI says at the end that ‘The rest of the story, with Melkor's release … can then proceed more or less as already told.’ As we have no more specific information what Tolkien meant with the ‘more or less’, principal 2b forces us to go with a second trial and Melkor suing for pardon twice.
CE-EX-47 & CE-SL-16b: These are the remains of our basic text edited to a usable form. Part of it was used earlier.
CE-SL-18b: The original passage was as well used earlier, so it has to be removed here. And the passage inserted comes only from a few sentences above and might be a bit redundant.
CE-EX-47.5: The description of Melkor’s reaction to the doom and the peace that followed after his imprisonment are most detailed in LT and therefore taken up here.

Respectfully,
Findegil