Day 1
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Originally Posted by Nogrod
Mac Connington's - or should we call him Mr. Griff - toying with the Targaryen-revealment is probably the only thing that caught my eye thus far. Although I'm not sure I can see a reason for anyone to do that kind of thing (be it a correct or a false hint). *baffled*
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Originally Posted by Nogrod
What Greenie Reed just quoted...
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Originally Posted by Mac
Well, maybe. The numbers may be on your side, but it would also mean we'd be without a proper analyzable wolf kill for two Nights. That doesn't help us.
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That is an interesting phrasing indeed! Especially when the ex-Lannister Skip has been talking about the numbers being good for the village... |
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Originally Posted by Nogrod
G55 and Mac probably aren't both lions (see G55's vote on Mac - unnecessary on D1 especially as Mac had been suspected by a couple of people already). But one of then could very well be (I'd rather vote G55).
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Unsure if he'd put this suspicion out there if a lion, because if he were planning on killing
G55 at the time, he would be leading to a
Mac lynch. At the same time, it would be good dissociation if a
Mac lynch were inevitable in the future and he could chime in with a past suspicion and look good.[/QUOTE]
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Originally Posted by Nogrod
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Originally Posted by Wilwa
And with Mac's comment, did he perhaps just mean that the numbers were on Skip's side in the sense that they supported the argument he was making? Weird wording, but might not be anything. Need to go back and find that post.
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Does anyone think this is a bit far-fetched defence? Mac clearly said the numbers "maybe" were on Skip's side but...
Lovers? Would be a Bear and a Maiden Fair indeed...  |
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Originally Posted by Nogrod
Okay.
So Mac is one of the lovers and tries to play suspicious enough for the lions not to kill him during the Night?
That might also explain the odd "on your side" as he's basically on no-one's side (were he a lion he would have been more aware of the "opposite sides" and realized his wording's problematicness)
++ Mac
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Seems pretty one-sided. My suspicions based on posting start on Day 2, but given the fact that Nog gives Mac his 4th vote when Skip only had 5, he actually seems pretty innocent. I'm not sure if he's that crazy. There is some "would a lion really do this?", but then he actually follows through and votes. I will still look at Day 2, but I'm somewhat less suspicious of Nog now.
Day 2
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Originally Posted by Nogrod
I know people are always - myself included - most interested in the reasons someone killed the seer. And that is generally a sound tactics. But now I'm afraid we're concentrating too much on Wilwa (the real seer killed by a bear) while in a way forgetting that G55 was killed by the lions (three of them) and was much more likely looking like a seer to some people...
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Brings the focus back to
Mac. A subtle way to avoid being made a target, or a way to look helpful without directly incriminating a packmate?
In
this post Nog tries to deny that the lions would have chosen
G55 because of her suspicion of
Mac. He also claims that he saw
G55's evil side on D1 but her good only now she's dead. If he's a lion, it could be a good way to justify both times he went for her (the latter successfully).
Mild suspicion from
Mac:
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Originally Posted by Macalaure
Or they killed her for a different reason - maybe they had no clue on the seer yet. If they were trying to frame me, Greenie or Nogrod would've been better choices. Unless those two are lions, but I feel like I'm starting to reach here.
She's obviously not a no-trail kill, but maybe a false-trail one? In that case the lions would be found among the people she didn't suspect in #107. Unfortunately, that doesn't exactly narrow down the list.
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On a side note, wouldn't it be interesting if they were? With him just saying it right there.
This could go either way:
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Originally Posted by Macalaure
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Originally Posted by Lottie
If Nog were a lion, I don't know that he would have brought our attention back to G55.
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Depends. If the lions tried to kill the seer unsuccessfully, then they should analyze the kill themselves thoroughly, subtly emphasizing whatever points the other ways, hoping the majority of the village just goes along and is too lazy to look for themselves. If they made a no/false trail kill, then they can just sit back and watch the village mess up. |
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Originally Posted by Macalaure
Nogrod - All helpful and reasonable, but I can't make myself trust him.
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Originally Posted by Nogrod
I was ready to lynch Mac yesterDay before Skip as the wagon looked so spurious (actually Eönwë's late joining was the deciding thing and didn't gain the attention it deserved - fault also on me in that, as I only just remembered it now).
Now I'm a bit torn that we have the same candidates as yesterDay up front... yesterDay I would have felt fine but now it seems many are also sticking to Zil as an easy vote as well.
Blah.
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Originally Posted by Nogrod
Bear goes then... I do hope.
++ Mac
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Originally Posted by Nogrod
Okay. This looks ridiculous right now. Where are you people?
I might have wished to vote Kit.
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I really don't know. I wouldn't put it past Nog to be such a bold lion, but voting for a packmate two Nights in a row at crucial moments is pretty extreme. The last few posts could go either way. I wouldn't put it past him to show that sort of regret (maybe?) at voting Mac as a way to make himself not look like a lion trying to look like a villager (i.e. being quiet because he knows the outcome and then rejoicing in the victory), and also set up the next Day's Kit kill. If he is a lion, he probably was genuinely frustrated that he was a major force in pushing Mac's death unnecessarily (no overwhelming rush of Mac votes from the remaining 4).
Overall, I'd say he seems less suspicious to me than when I started based on his Mac connections, but I wouldn't rule him out.