Haunting Spirit
Posts: 68
Re: The Downfall of Numenor
A good reply indeed.
Yes, Valar can not govern man's fate, nor predict his movements in the future,only deduce out of their great knowledge and wisdom, cause it was in a independent theme of Illuvatar. I was pointing at that when explaining the silence of the Valar till the last moment. but also I pointed (maybe not so clearly as I liked) that the shape of the Arda was changed by Eru himself, he was a judge of numenoreans, not the Powers. I can give a citation as well
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Then Manwe upon the Mountain called upon Illuvatar, and for that time laid down their goverment of Arda.
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(Silm77, Akallabeth, p335)
but
for that time only, mind you! They (numenoreans) sleep in the caves indeed - it's mentioned on the same page, some paragraph or two lower.
As about the choice granted for the mightiest army of men ever gathered in the Last Battle due to Ar-Pharazon's hesitetion in the end, it's merely my own speculatin, based on some deduction+intuition. I never ever mind anyone to disagree with that. But they do sleep and do await their doom to be accoplished, and that was done by Eru, who knows the Music and all that is, and is not.
Edited by: HerenIstarion at: 10/5/00 11:08:39 am