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I fail to see what being gay has to do with the topic of this thread. Please stay on topic, folks.<P>I think both Underhill and Squatter have suggested a very plausible way to arrive at a reasoned understanding of how successful Tyler was/is as Arwen. It comes down, really, to grasping the essence of the character in the book. I think that is why McKellen did such a fine job as Gandalf in FotR; he didn't need the pyro technics for his temptation scene that Blanchett did for hers. Or that were used for hers as well.<P>Underhill's idea of maturity runs up against many stereotypes in the characterization of female characters.