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Old 06-09-2019, 03:39 PM   #17
gandalf85
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Great work, Fin, sorry for the late reply. Where I don't comment I agree:

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Yes: Art of the Hobbit; fig. 1; p. 20; One morning early in the Quiet of the World; The Quest of Erebor – “It was on the morning of Tuesday, April the 25th, 2941, that Gandalf called to see Bilbo; and though he knew more or less what to expect his confidence was shaken.”
I think the picture works better before this paragraph.

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Maybe: Art of the Hobbit; fig. 12; p. 35; Thorin’s letter to Bilbo; are we going to use this “Facsimile” of an English text in tengwar? If yes, then this is the place: The Broken Bridge - “on a quest of great treasure, the dwarf-hoards of the Kings under the Mountain, beneath Erebor in Dale, far off in the East.”
We have already abandoned the idea of this being a definitive in-universe text. Since this was created by Tolkien himself, I think we should use it. Feasibly, it could be a facsimile created by whoever compiled these materials.

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Maybe: Art of the Hobbit; fig. 20; p. 44; Rivendell looking West; Are we going to use this later reinterpretation of a false start?
I think it makes more sense to use fig. 21 instead. Even though this picture doesn't seem to contain any contradictions, it seems redundant.

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Yes: Art of the Hobbit; fig. 35; p. 60; The Misty Mountains; Relations of the Longbeard Dwarves and Men - “for many lives of Men the Long-beards controlled the Ered Mithrin, Erebor, and the Iron Hills, and all the east side of the Misty Mountains as far as the confines of Lorien; while the Men of the North dwelt in all the adjacent lands as far south as the Great Dwarf Road that cut through the Forest (the Old Forest Road was its ruinous remains in the Third Age) and then went North-east to the Iron Hills.”
Do you propose we put this picture with the footnote? I don't think it works here. I propose we instead put it after the paragraph containing "In the deeps of time and the beginning of that people he came to Azanulbizar, the Dimrill Dale, and in the caves above {Kibil-nala [> }Kheled-zaram{](1)}, the Mirrormere, in the east of the Misty Mountains, he made his dwelling, where after were the Mines of Moria renowned in song."

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Yes: Art of the Hobbit; fig. 40; p. 64; Eagles’ Eyrie; The Quest of Erebor - “Of Bilbo's later adventures little more need be said here.” As part of a series of pictures about Bilbos adventure.
I like your idea of a series of pictures for Bilbo's adventures, but I think this particular picture is too "sketchy" to be of any use -- it is hard to make anything out.

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Yes: Art of the Hobbit; fig. 70; p. 103; View from the Back Door; The Quest of Erebor - “Of Bilbo's later adventures little more need be said here.” As part of a series of pictures about Bilbos adventure.
I think this image is a bit too "sketchy" to be used.

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Yes: Art of The Hobbit; fig. 100; p. 137; Trail dust-jacket; QS, Cha. 35 - “Then the sun rose, and the host of the Valar prevailed, and all the dragons were destroyed, save two alone; and they fled into the East”
I think we should cutout only the top of this picture. With the sun, mountains, and the dragon.

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Yes: Art of LotR; Frontispiece; p. 16; Cutout of fig. 170, p. 214 Dust-jacket design for The Fellowship of the Ring; The End of the Third Age - “Now all these things were achieved for the most part by the counsel and vigilance of Mithrandir, and in the last few days he was revealed as a lord of great reverence, and clad in white he rode into battle; but not until the time came for him to depart was it known that he had long guarded the Red Ring of Fire.”
I think we should cut out just the red ring.

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Yes: Art of LotR; fig. 13; p. 31; Map of the Westmarch; The End the Third Age - “In the following year the Westmarch, from the Far Downs to the Tower Hills (Emyn Beraid), was added to the Shire by the gift of the King.”
This seems too "sketchy" to be useful.

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Yes: Art of LotR; fig. 28; p. 49; The East Road, east of Bree; The Ring Set Out - “Over all the 400 miles to Elrond the hobbits were pursued by the terror”
This seems too "sketchy" to be useful.

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Yes: Art of LotR; fig. 32; p. 54; Map of the route taken by the Black Riders; - “The other two went through the central Shire, until they reached the East Road, probably near the Three-Farthing Stone. (These were probably Khaműl and one of his companions, from Dol Guldur; and Khaműl was the most ready of all (save the Witch-King) to perceive the presence of the Ring, but also the one whose power was most confused and diminished by sunlight). Drawn by the Ring Khaműl went to Hobbiton which he reached at evening on Friday September the twenty-third.”
This seems too "sketchy" to be useful.

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Maybe: Art of LotR; fig. 66; p. 91; Rune on Sam’s box; I don’t see how we could use that.
Agreed, I don't think we can use this.

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Yes: Art of LotR; fig. 72; p. 98; Parth Galen, Tol Brandir, and Amon Lhaw; The Treason of Isengard - “Among the deeds of all the company after the breaking of the Fellowship of the Ring were the repentance and death of Boromir, and his funeral in a boat committed to the Falls of Rauros”
I think this is too "sketchy" to include.

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Yes: Art of LotR; fig. 84; p. 116; Minas Morgul gate; The Stewards - “he rode with a small escort of knights to the gate of Minas Morgul.”
I think this is too "sketchy" to include.

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Maybe: Art of LotR; fig. 97; p. 130; Simplified plan of Shelob’s lair; I don’t think this is worth being given in our text
Agreed, this shouldn't be used.

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Maybe: Art of LotR; fig. 142; p. 180; Three aerial views of Mountians:
upper left: The only formation of Mountains that I can find on a Map that looks like this is the Westward thrust of the Ered Lindon north of Forlindon (compare fig. 70, 157 & 159). But in the Maps the rivers are missing. If that is the right identification, the the place for it could be: QS, Cha. 18 - “For Mount Rerir, and about it many lesser heights, stood out from the main range of Ered Lindon westward; and in the angle between Rerir and Ered Lindon there was a lake, shadowed by mountains on all sides save the south. This was Lake Helevorn, deep and dark, and beside it Caranthir had his abode;”;
The mountains north of Forlindon look like the closest match to me as well.

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Yes: Art of LotR; fig. 154; p. 196; Sketch-plan of the Citadel of Minas Tirith; The War of the Ring - “for the city of Minas Tirith was encircled by the armies of Mordor and was perishing in flame.”
This seems too "sketchy" to me.

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Yes: Art of LotR; fig. 157; p. 200; Map of the northern part of Middle-earth; I think we should combine this Map with fig. 201, but I am open for suggestions where to put it.
Yes: Art of LotR; fig. 158; p. 201; Map of the southern part of Middle-earth; I think we should combine this Map with fig. 200, but I am open for suggestions where to put it.
There is no fig. 200 or fig. 201 in Art of LOTR. Which maps do you propose to combine?

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Maybe: Art of LotR; fig. 192; p. 240; Unidentified contour sketch; I think this is a representation of the mountains around Minas Morgul. But how soever I think it is unusable.
I agree this is not usable.

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Yes: Artist; Frontispiece; The Hills of the Morning; Akallabeth – Númenorean sailors exploring the East
Where do you propose we put this?

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Maybe: Artist; no. 9; p. 15; Whitby; usabel, but where would be a seting for this?
Maybe: Artist; no. 10; p. 15; Ruins at West End of Whitby Abbey; usable, but where would be a seting for this?
Maybe: Artist; no. 17; p. 21; “Foxglove-Year”; usable, if we find a good place
I will look through the text and see if I can find a good place for these.

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Maybe: Pictures; no. 43; Patterns (I); The flower on the lower left side and the plant looking like a Thristle left from the middle at thelower row could be used if we find nice places for it. The rest seems unusable.
This doesn't seem usable to me due to the newspaper in the background.
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