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Old 03-07-2005, 05:14 PM   #3
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Originally posted by Estelyn: What do you make of the alternating pale and green light of Sméagol/Gollum’s eyes there?
I wonder if there is a connection with the "green light," that was seen in the Ents eyes in the "Treebeard" chapter...

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Any ideas why? A hungry Gollum could be a problem to the hobbits, Sam fears.
If we look in The Hobbit, when Bilbo meets Gollum...
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He (Gollum) was anxious to appear friendly, at any rate for the moment, and until he found more about the sword and the hobbit, whether he was quite alone really, whether he was good to eat, and whether Gollum was very hungry.
I think that's a pretty good reason . Or maybe there's a touch of Bilbo in Sam...
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"Very well," said Bilbo, who was anxious to agree, until he found out more about the creature, whether he was quite alone, whether he was fierce or hungry, and whether he was a friend of the goblins.
Perhaps Sam is playing a long (or atleast trying to) until he can figure out this Smeagol/Gollum.

Through the Smeagol/Gollum conversation we might be able to tell that it wasn't Faramir capturing him that got him to plan the hobbits' death, but he planned it from the very beginning...
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"We wants it! But"-and there was a long pause, as if a new thought had wakened. "Not yet, eh? She might help. She might, yes."
"No, No! Not that way!" wailed Smeagol.
"Yes! We wants it! We wants it!
Each time that the secon thought spoke, Gollum's long hand crept out slowly, pawing towards Frodo, and then was drawn back with a jerk as Smeagol spoke again. Finally both arms, with long fingers flexed and twitching, clawed towards his neck.
For a while Gollum had changed, and now there's this battle between good and bad. At the end of it bad wins. Gollum is about to strangle Frodo. So, if it wasn't Faramir's capture that "set off" Gollum, what was it? What did the hobbits do to get Gollum thinking about "her?" Or maybe Gollum just cannot be "saved." This could go back to "The Hobbit," Gollum could just be putting on an act, being friendly, appearing to be friendly, until he finds out more about his companions.

I think from the previous chapter we can see that Gollum has changed, and in this chapter Frodo even notices the change, he just questions "how much" has Gollum changed?
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To his (Sam's) simple mind ordinary hunger, the desire to eat hobbits, had seemed the chief danger in Gollum. He realized now that it was not so: Gollum was feeling the terrible call of the Ring.
Maybe the hobbits didn't do anything to get Gollum mad, and making him want to kill them. It's just the ring working on Gollum, and Gollum doesn't have a strong enough desire to resist it. The Ring worked on Boromir, well Boromir is sort of gone, now it concentrates on Gollum, another person who would be quite easy to tempt. The hobbits might not have done anything wrong to Gollum, it could just be the pull of the ring as Sam thinks.

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