[Garen LiLorian]

Well, Pan, in the example of Saruman at least, there is pretty conclusive evidence that he was not redeemed. After his death it talks about his fëar as "looking towards the West" then dissipating, much like Sauron when the Ring was destroyed. So there. And hey! As a side effect, I solved the free will debate! If Saruman was pre-determined to turn traitor, it would be vastly unfair of Eru to not allow his fëar to return, so therefor for him to have dissipated means that it was his own choice and not the choice of Eru.

Of course, it'd be something of a miracle if this was the first time this piece of evidence had come up. This has probably been hashed and re-hashed in this forum. [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] Oh well. I'll leave it up in the vague hope that it means anything.