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Originally Posted by William Cloud Hicklin
Note- "Words, Phrases and Passages" aka "Nomenclature" aka "Guide to the Names" etc. ought to be considered 'published' and thus canonical, as Tolkien provided a copy to A&U so that they in turn could give copies to foreign translators.
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Well, since someone revived the thread...
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Nomenclature/Guide to the Names I do consider to be 'nearly published' by the author and thus high on the canonical shelving, but
Words Phrases And Passages[WPP] is a different animal, no? Did Tolkien provide copies of WPP too? It doesn't seem very ready for that, at least in all parts.
Anyway I note how in WPP Tolkien changes his mind about the derivation of Sauron, for example:
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SAWA-, disgusting, foul, vile: [Q saura, foul, vile, whence name Sauron]* prefix Q sau- as in saucare, doing or making a thing very badly. Not used in Sindarin as prefix; but the adjective saur occurs in the sense 'bad' of food etc., putrid, also substantive saw, filth, putrescence
also Q soa, filth (sawá). [added in left margin]
*This name is also used in late 3[rd] age Sindarin and could be a genuine Sindarin formation from saur; but is probably from Quenya. The ancient Sindarin name for Sauron was Gorthaur, of quite distinct origin: from ÑGOR- 'terror' and THUS- evil mist, fog, Darkness: ñgor(o)-thúsó > Gorthu 'Mist of Fear'; cf. thû, horrible darkness, black mist < thúsé.
Sauron's original name was Mairon, but this was altered after he was suborned by Melkor. But he continued to call himself Mairon the Admirable, or Tar-mairon 'King excellent' until after the downfall of Númenor. The Quenya form equivalent to Gorthu was: ñorthus, ñorsus, stem ñorsur-.
'No THAW-, cruel. Saura, cruel. Gorthaur'
SAWA 'bad, unhealthy, ill, wretched'
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Just a simple 'no' then a new base THAW- appears.
Did Tolkien mean 'No' for
everything he had just written, including the digression on Mairon? Mairon doesn't hail from the base SAWA- in any case, so I would say...
... maybe, yes... or simply 'no'
