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Man-of-the-Wold · 10-19-2002, 12:38 PM

I think in pondering Elrond issues, it is important to remember that he is really the common link among all books. So, even though we never really get a sense of his personality like we do even of Galadriel, he is not merely a supporting character. Although at the time of writing the "Hobbit", JRRT may have had other notions for the Peredhil, that is perhaps the most meaningful description of him. The fact is that Elrond is Half-Elven, but with the life of an Elf.

Arwen and her brothers are the same until Elrond leaves for Eldamar, at which time they must choose to join him, or have the fate of Men (although perhaps not on the exact same boat, such that we cannot be sure about Elladan or Elrohir)

So, Elrond has personal and valid issues for not wanting to be separated from Arwen for all time and to see her relinguish her gift for less than a supreme coupling.

For Elrond, I think it's clear that he had enormous respect for Elendil, probably second only to Gil-Galad, and he was Elrond's ultimate image of what a great King of Men should be, and he was the last true ruler of Arnor and Gondor.

Also, I think Elrond knows that only with the return of such a King will he be able to leave Middle-Earth in Peace. Otherwise, it would be as a final escape from Sauron, for which he would need to have Arwen escape too.

So, if Sauron prevails, and the two were married, that would be unthinkable.

If there is no resolution to the age-long struggle during Aragorn's lifetime, then you really have an odd situation. Arwen might be an immortal widow, still capable of going with her father, who has not yet left Middle-Earth. That wouldn't be right.

Finally, it is not just a father-daughter think, or an Elf-Man thing. But a matter of Royalty. Arwen is a princess, decended from the greatest Royal line of both kindreds. Aragorn is too, though more than adquately distant. Yet, he has no kingdom, royal blood or not. So, it really is not possible for him to marry her, unless he can give a fitting throne.

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10-19-2002, 12:38 PM	#16
Man-of-the-Wold Wight Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: With Tux, dread poodle of Pinnath Galin Posts: 239	I think in pondering Elrond issues, it is important to remember that he is really the common link among all books. So, even though we never really get a sense of his personality like we do even of Galadriel, he is not merely a supporting character. Although at the time of writing the "Hobbit", JRRT may have had other notions for the Peredhil, that is perhaps the most meaningful description of him. The fact is that Elrond is Half-Elven, but with the life of an Elf. Arwen and her brothers are the same until Elrond leaves for Eldamar, at which time they must choose to join him, or have the fate of Men (although perhaps not on the exact same boat, such that we cannot be sure about Elladan or Elrohir) So, Elrond has personal and valid issues for not wanting to be separated from Arwen for all time and to see her relinguish her gift for less than a supreme coupling. For Elrond, I think it's clear that he had enormous respect for Elendil, probably second only to Gil-Galad, and he was Elrond's ultimate image of what a great King of Men should be, and he was the last true ruler of Arnor and Gondor. Also, I think Elrond knows that only with the return of such a King will he be able to leave Middle-Earth in Peace. Otherwise, it would be as a final escape from Sauron, for which he would need to have Arwen escape too. So, if Sauron prevails, and the two were married, that would be unthinkable. If there is no resolution to the age-long struggle during Aragorn's lifetime, then you really have an odd situation. Arwen might be an immortal widow, still capable of going with her father, who has not yet left Middle-Earth. That wouldn't be right. Finally, it is not just a father-daughter think, or an Elf-Man thing. But a matter of Royalty. Arwen is a princess, decended from the greatest Royal line of both kindreds. Aragorn is too, though more than adquately distant. Yet, he has no kingdom, royal blood or not. So, it really is not possible for him to marry her, unless he can give a fitting throne. [ October 19, 2002: Message edited by: Man-of-the-Wold ] [ October 21, 2002: Message edited by: Man-of-the-Wold ] __________________ The hoes unrecked in the fields were flung, __ and fallen ladders in the long grass lay __ of the lush orchards; every tree there turned __ its tangled head and eyed them secretly, __ and the ears listened of the nodding grasses; __ though noontide glowed on land and leaf, __ their limbs were chilled.