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OK. A lot of points to make. Firstly, no the tongue was not supposed to be insulting. In Hogwarts, people could take a joke! (In case I haven't told you yet, my 'Hannah 3' was a character who went to a wonderful 'hogwarts'. So I am very feircely defending Harry <img src=wink.gif ALT="
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Secondly, don't worry, Sarah won't be put off by the debate, she was my best friend at Hogwarts and that's the reason she came.
Thirdly, as I am jewish myself, and have recently been arguing with the KKK about how that does not make me bad, I am not about to get into a religious discussion here. I'm sick of them.
And now... the debate itself...
Sam was mean to Gollum right from the beginning. The fact that he tried to kill them afterwards has nothing to do with it, exceot to prove how wrong Sam's behavior was.
I can think of plenty of childrens books with morals - Little Women, for one - but the characters slip up, make mistakes. You're never going to convince me that HP is without morals.
Since most of your second post is ground I'm not about to get mixed up in, I can't reply to anything in it except yes, we'll have a truce - most of this argument has felt very irrational and silly, and besides, like I say, being a reform jew I don't want to get into discussions about christianity.
Yes, Hermione is a good character.
So? It's right to hold grudges against bad people and not bad people? She did something that he thought was wrong - alowed her pet to kill his. So when the bad guy does something good, you're not allowed to make him better still by being nice? And when a good guy does something bad, you're not allowed to blame them because
on the whole they're good? Read Jane Eyre, what Helen Burns says - 'Savages hold that doctrine, but Christians disown it' - when Jane says she has a
right to hate her aunt, because her aunt is bad.
If you call Christianity holding a grudge against Gollum before he actually DID something, I don't. Not that I would know.. I'm out of my depth. So this is the end. Unless you bring in more HP/JRRT debates.
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Hannah*~
If one puts an idea forward to a true englishman - always a rash thing to do - he never dreams of considering whether the idea is right or wrong. The only thing he considers of any importance is whether one believes in it oneself. ~ Oscar Wilde</p>