03-26-2006, 12:57 PM
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A Northern Soul
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Valinor
Posts: 1,847
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The Nienna -affair seems to me the most telling one: Gandalf is the hero of the story, but he could not be, what he is, without Nienna.
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Nienna's placement above Gandalf is not disputed - it is a given.
Not only is she in the top 16 by being one of the Valar - she is in the top ten as she is listed as one of the Aratar.
The Silmarillion:
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Among them Nine were of chief power and reverence; but one is removed from their number, and Eight remain, the Aratar, the High Ones of Arda: Manwė and Varda, Ulmo, Yavanna and Aulė, Mandos, Nienna, and Oromė. [...] surpassing beyond compare all others, whether of the Valar and the Maiar, or of any other order that Ilśvatar has sent into Eä.
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Unlike the separate Valar/Valier lists, the listing of the Aratar is apparently not in order since it conflicts with those lists - Oromė is listed 'in due order' before Mandos.
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The names of the Lords in due order are: Manwė, Ulmo, Aulė, Oromė, Mandos, Lórien, and Tulkas; and the names of the Queens are: Varda, Yavanna, Nienna, Estė, Vairė, Vįna, and Nessa.
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