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ArathornJax · 02-24-2008, 10:18 PM

A few things. In the book Denethor calls a council and it is decided there that the outer defenses will be defended because Denethor wants it that way. Faramir seemed to have guessed that because prior to returning to Minis Tirith, Faramir sent the company to Ithilien to Osgiliath to reinforce it.

Why defend this position? It is made clear in the book that to the south, towards Lebennin the river was too wide and north toward the island of Cair Andros the area was too marshy. Thus the crossing had to come at Osgiliath so they wanted to defend at that point.

If you look at the book vs. the movie, the tactic makes more sense. It has all the bearings of a tactical retreat, to make the enemy pay for taking territory, and to buy time for the Rohirrim to arrive (remember, they didn't know when that would occur, they had an idea, but they were not sure). Faramir spent the day retreating from Osgiliath to the outer forts on the Rammas EchorI also prefer in the book that the sortie was to rescue Faramir as he retreated with remaining out companies, and that it was made by Prince Imrahil and the knights of Dol Amroth who rescued Faramir and the remanent of the out companies. In this case the book explains why they defended Osgiliath where the movie makes it look like . . . well, William Cloud Hicklin said it better.

As far as the bridge, yes it is there. It would have been part of the original city since the heart of the city was in the middle of the river. A non-fan would not know that though who watched the movie for the first time. I guess one could assume it was repaired. The book makes it clear the initial attack is done with a build up of barges and boats. Quick repair on a stone bridge I guess. Perhaps in a the next version they can make it have a platoon section in the middle.

Finally, could Denethor have decided to defend the Pelannor and outer defenses because of what he saw in the Palantir? That Sauron wanted him to attack Osgilath in order to weaken the defenses of Minis Tirith? Just some thoughts.

02-24-2008, 10:18 PM	#19
ArathornJax Haunting Spirit Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Out West near a Big Salty Lake Posts: 76	Movie and Book and Palantir A few things. In the book Denethor calls a council and it is decided there that the outer defenses will be defended because Denethor wants it that way. Faramir seemed to have guessed that because prior to returning to Minis Tirith, Faramir sent the company to Ithilien to Osgiliath to reinforce it. Why defend this position? It is made clear in the book that to the south, towards Lebennin the river was too wide and north toward the island of Cair Andros the area was too marshy. Thus the crossing had to come at Osgiliath so they wanted to defend at that point. If you look at the book vs. the movie, the tactic makes more sense. It has all the bearings of a tactical retreat, to make the enemy pay for taking territory, and to buy time for the Rohirrim to arrive (remember, they didn't know when that would occur, they had an idea, but they were not sure). Faramir spent the day retreating from Osgiliath to the outer forts on the Rammas EchorI also prefer in the book that the sortie was to rescue Faramir as he retreated with remaining out companies, and that it was made by Prince Imrahil and the knights of Dol Amroth who rescued Faramir and the remanent of the out companies. In this case the book explains why they defended Osgiliath where the movie makes it look like . . . well, William Cloud Hicklin said it better. As far as the bridge, yes it is there. It would have been part of the original city since the heart of the city was in the middle of the river. A non-fan would not know that though who watched the movie for the first time. I guess one could assume it was repaired. The book makes it clear the initial attack is done with a build up of barges and boats. Quick repair on a stone bridge I guess. Perhaps in a the next version they can make it have a platoon section in the middle. Finally, could Denethor have decided to defend the Pelannor and outer defenses because of what he saw in the Palantir? That Sauron wanted him to attack Osgilath in order to weaken the defenses of Minis Tirith? Just some thoughts.