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Old 05-10-2014, 08:38 PM   #3
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Originally Posted by tom the eldest View Post
The nazgul was said to be great kings of men,but who are this great kings?numenor had only one kings,which is probably tar-minastir at the time of the forging of the rings.khamul is an exception,we know who he is.so,any idea who are the rest of the nazgul?
Hey there Tom

There's some additional materials about them in UT, Hunt for the Ring, where you get some insights into their thinking, ways of sensing, and about the hierarchical relationships amongst them. Looks like they 'lived' together in Minas Ithil (Morgal) during periods.

There is some dispute about the number and kind who were numenorean. Someone posted somewhere that Sauron nabbed some of them during his time on Numenor--but the dates don't reconcile for that. The crisis period for the Gwaith-i-Mirdain is 1695 SA, with some 700 years until their first appearance, around SA 2251. In was around 1800 SA that Numenoreans began settling on the coast of Middle Earty (and even somewhat earlier, after 1700, in fact, when Tar Minastir sent aid to Gil Galad, just as Sauron was about to topple Lindon). They settled, not only in Umbar, but at other strongholds, some near Edhellond.

It was not until SA 3255, Numenor's 25th king Ar-Pharazôn sailed to Middle-earth. That's well and truly after the Nine's first appearance. Not sure where they dwelt during Sauron's stay on Numenor.

This history hints at some of the possibilities for the origins of the Nine, in a sweep of options broader than Umbar and the East. I wonder if the Blue Wizards had any role in the process, who were Istari who fell into the 'evil of sorcery' in the East. We never find out if they were competitors, or non-events for Sauron--or allies.

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