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Originally Posted by Arvegil145

My, I didn't know you were making an actual, all-out interactive site for this - I thought I was just missing some function in GoogleDocs...

I wanted to use Google Sheets, but it wouldn't play nice, so I brushed off the website.

Originally Posted by Arvegil145

Anyway, it's brilliant and I've only just begun playing with it - I also shared it with the Vinye Lambengolmor discord server if you don't mind.

I definitely don't mind; it's made to be public!

Originally Posted by Arvegil145

My only complaint from a cursory look is, would it really take the Dwarves of Ered Luin 3-4,000 years to enter Beleriand?

The entry on the Dwarves definitely needs changing - it's got dates in it which don't change with the timeline! I'm going to modify that to have the correct dates - what it should say is that the western Dwarves built their mansions before the Quendi crossed the Blue Mountains, while Durin didn't found Khazad-Dum until after the Quendi crossed Caradhras.

Originally Posted by Arvegil145

Also, you can just straight up say 'Defeat and execution of Morgoth' in the last entry (as per Myths Transformed). I'd also add: 'and the expulsion of his spirit from Ea'

I'm not necessarily happy with 'execution', but I'll add the expulsion.

Originally Posted by Arvegil145

By the way, since I think Tolkien abandoned Dagor Dagorath in favor of Arda Healed, I think you should keep the reference to Turin coming back from the dead and slaying Ancalagon, instead of Earendil.

This one I'm not doing. For one thing, the timeline doesn't even mention the War of Wrath; for another, I'm not convinced that reference is as clear-cut as all that. Isn't that the one that also suggests Beren comes back and fights Morgoth?

Originally Posted by Arvegil145

(Also, did we agree on not showing the exact generations, i.e. 'Ingwe, 24th generation', etc.?)

I've removed those to allow for using your preferred 7/8 generation timeline; it would probably need another question, which would affect at least some of the birth-dates.

Originally Posted by Arvegil145

(Plus, I have reasons to believe that the 'Celebrimbor in Nargothrond' note mentioning the name 'Maglor' as well as Finrod's wife - and by extension, possibly Gil-galad - comes from a very, very late date.)

The one on PoME 317-8? My copy says "Maelor", and reads "It seems probable that Celebrimbor was son of Curufin", which seems to place it before any other source connecting the two, which... I would have guessed included the Shibboleth, but maybe not?

CT says that the note on PoME 350 (making Orodreth's wife a Sinda) is later than the Celebrimbor one, and dates that note firmly to August 1965; interestingly that's the same precisely-dated month as NoME 1.XVIII.

For the timeline, it looks like that 1965 note establishes that Finrod is married; given that they have no kids, it doesn't matter for this whether she went with him or not. Similarly, nothing in those notes changes what we've already got for Celebrimbor, or for the name of Maelor.

Originally Posted by Arvegil145

P.S. Would it be possible to make the timeline AAm/published Silmarillion-compatible? I.e. 9:582 VY all over, the Sun rises in Bel. 1, etc. I ask because your project, in addition to being a really cool idea has the potential to be incredibly useful to fans in general, especially when it comes to trying to integrate NoME and other late writings into the AAm conception.

You can do this to some extent by selecting the AAm option wherever available; what you get is a timeline where everything falls in the right order (none of the Finweans are born after the Exile, for example), but some AAm dates are changed. The most notable one is that AAm has Melkor chained before the March starts, while the later sources say after the March ends.

The closer you look at the details, the less-well it matches, though. Names are changed, some events are tweaked, people are added (Findis and Lalwen don't exist in the published Silm!). I'm wary of adding loads of options to "the timeline of Tolkien's latest ideas" to make it match what he was thinking in 1958 + what Christopher was thinking in the '70s. (Would I need to add Fingon's marriage, and estimate the birth-year of his son Gil-Galad? )

There's certainly room for more options, though at some point I'll have to work out a better way to present them. I can also give you a toggle for switching the 850/1 dating to AAm VY starting in, what, 1000? But fitting NoME into AAm is not the point of the timeline - quite the reverse!

hS