[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by THE Ka

So, my curiosity is, why does Shasta still have misgivings about this and is asking the same question again about the timing of his vote?

Either an attempt to try and see if Pitch will give a different answer and thus, more evidence why, or to try and bring it back into the spot light to push?
If it’s a build suspicion attempt, we’ve seen several over the last few Days and players are wary of them, so this could be concluded as a risky move. Otherwise, they either didn’t spot where Pitch had replied to this same question or had forgotten. Suspicious still, but that could just as much be a villager’s mistake by oversight.

Except that I wasn't asking Pitch a question at all - I was commenting on the "agreeableness" (heh) of a comment he made.

Here's the exchange in its entirety.

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Except for (as I took it at the time) Zil himself, which is why I didn't want to vote him. Ironically, considering what I posted yesterDay before the sally debacle, I'm beginning to think Zil may well be innocent after all. I'm still wondering about you.
But it's true, like Lal said and Mac yesterDay, those of us who didn't want sally lynched screwed it up bigtime.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

This post gives me all the creepy vibes.

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Explain.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

"Man, we really messed up, voting the Hunter like that. Aw, shucks."

Sounds rather "agreeable", no?

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Did Pitch ask me for an explanation of a post of his I thought was creepy and them never respond, or am I misremembering that?

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

No you're right, I haven't yet responded to this:

because frankly, how am I even supposed to argue with that? Of course it sounds agreeable the way you put it, but I don't feel it's a fair representation of my post. I didn't vote the Hunter, but I didn't act in time to save her either, and if you think admitting a mistake and feeling bad about it is creepy I can't help you.

(Sidenote - Pitch, I think it's an entirely fair representation; those are literally your words and your context. And it's agreeable. And you're known for being an agreeable wolf - it's literally your tagline. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯)

So this bit from Ka is based off a faulty premise to begin with.

Moving on -

Originally Posted by THE Ka

As for the ‘when to vote’ concern comparatively Pitch in #933 agrees with Lommy over Zil on voting earlier to help the QT (which was innocent majority at that point) and help GT innocents:

Later, we have Shasta commenting about their near DL voting and its merits along with some defense in post #1040:

Pitch, as they’ve admitted before, regret not voting earlier with the Eonwe vote and later in post #933 agrees with not leaving the votes last minute to help GT analysis. This follows consistent and in post #971, gives an early vote as others had discussed to help out of +-Eonwe. Later in #1030, Pitch votes Eonwe (making a second vote to Eonwe at that point), noting that he had some hesitation given Lhuna’s earlier vote for them as well, but does so consistent to what he had said earlier over others agreeing to spread the votes and not wait for right before DL.

Regardless of vote and how the QT vote went, out of the Eonwe voters this paints Pitch in a much more genuine and consistent light. There is little to no flip flopping near the middle or end of a bandwagon that might be considered suspicious of wolf trying to appear invested and hide at the same time, nor is there a habit of throwing a bunch of suspicion posts out at players and seeing what sticks and going for it. All in all between the two, this speaks more to Pitch’s innocence.

As for Shasta, it’s interesting to watch their pattern before voting when it comes to reactions to both Eonwe’s lists and then later, Rune’s suspicion of Eonwe.

In post #1005, Shasta quotes Eonwe’s list, but gives a non-commited judgement saying there are parts they agree with in the ranking and others they’re confused about:

The last bit is curious. Is it a subtle signal to Eonwe or just open ended wondering?

I'm having trouble parsing exactly what point Ka is trying to make re: comparing Pitch and my voting-early-vs-voting-late stuff, but I don't actually think it matters all that much because again, none of that interaction on my end was aimed at Pitch; I was mostly responding to Lommy's annoyance:

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Voting late enough again not to make a difference? Seeeeriously, Shasta.

As far as my post responding to Eonwe's list - that bit by Ka feels more like a reach than anything else. That post is literally me wondering out loud what it meant that my suspicions and Eonwe's list were both so similar and so radically different - did it make Eonwe more innocent in my eyes since we had those similarities, or more guilty because of those differences? (I tend to have a habit of reading people through their reactions to me and whether their suspicions jive with mine because I am egomaniacal.)

Re: Rune - here's the flip-flop in its entirety.

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

Almost done reading through todays action, and my initial thoughts are thus:

Lommy’s involvement in the Sally lynch, definitely makes me wary of her. To me, it was one of the most nonsensical things I have seen in a long time. I must note however that a known innocent (Legate), defended Lommy’s reasoning. So yeah, Lommy moves up my list of suspicions, but it would not be prudent to make that our only focal point.

I don’t care for Inzil's way of pushing the Lommy agenda, nor do I like the energetic way in which Lommy seems to pursue the tactic of “the best defence is an attack” today.

I get good vibes from Pitch and Lalaith so far today.

Also I like that you have gone with the early fake votes.

Underlining mine. Exactly ten minutes later:

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

If I was to vote right now I would probably go for Inzil, Eonwe or Brinn.
I am currently flipflopping on whom I suspect the most, and I would also like to look a little on Lhuna and Boro before I vote. People that I haven't been able to get a read on, but whom interesting points have been made.

+- Inzil
+- Eonwe
+- Brinn


Lastly I wouldn't want to vote Lommy today, yesterday was foolish and suspicious, but in it self not something that convinces me of her guilt.

This whole series has nothing to do with Eonwe - Rune barely mentions him as someone he might vote. To postulate that as a pattern of behavior, as Ka does here -

Originally Posted by The Ka

This is the second player besides Pitch that Shasta directly starts questioning after they’ve either voiced a suspicion to or have voted for Eonwe. Arguably in the context, this is one of the more consistent elements Shasta has.

- is not only inaccurate (was the first player supposed to be Pitch? Because again - I wasn't questioning him), it actually evidences the same underlying focus on Eonwe that Ka is accusing me of.

Originally Posted by THE Ka

This is fairly consistent of Shasta voting later on but runs counter to other players that Day wanting to aim for more beneficial earlier votes in order to spread them and avoid hiding places for wolves.

And? Sorry to be so blunt about it, but is "running counter to other players" in and of itself a basis for wolvishness now? I don't believe that, and I don't actually believe Ka believes it either.

Originally Posted by THE Ka

Out of the three, I’m growing more and more suspicious of Shasta and how their interest will defensively spike around others looking at Eonwe.

K. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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To sum this whole thing up - I feel strongly that this is opportunistic-Ka. Lommy mentioned earlier that I haven't been talked about or suspected much until today. That makes the timing of this suspicion from Ka fairly suspect, IMO. Added to that is how quite a chunk of it is based on a faulty premise and something I consider flimsy at best (holding my vote til late) - the whole thing makes me feel strongly that Ka doesn't actually believe this case of hers, and simply put it together to give the appearance of hunting wolves (and pointing at an opportune target that's been mentioned by several people today as "someone to look at.")

The most damning thing, though, IMO, is this -

Originally Posted by THE Ka

- because the crux of her case and the point she spent the most time fleshing out is that I seem to be "defensively spiking around Eonwe"; which means in the case of Shastawolf you naturally have to have Eonwolf as well, because why else would Shastawolf be "defensively spiking"?

Yet there's no real mention of Eonwe at all in Ka's recent stuff, when Eonwe seems to have been picking up suspicion from the rest of the village. And her QT vote was for me. It really smacks of Ka distancing from Eonwe, in my opinion.



Now I know there have been posts since my last, so I'll go look at them.