[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Lalaith

Now something today about Eonwe didn't sit right and I went back over his posts. This is what I found.

YesterDay, Eonwe makes two posts drawing attention to the interaction betwen Shasta and Kit the second wondering if they are an infector pair
Then:
Eonwe, 5.23pm yesterDay (my italics)

(NB this was something Lottie had pointed to earlier anyway)
Then
Lalaith 7.22pm yesterDay

(this is the first time I mention Kit at all)

Eonwe toDay re Kit:



So TL;DR Eonwe spends a lot of time yesterDay talking about Kit and Shasta, first as suspicious and then he openly discusses her being a Ranger, two hours before I mention her at all (at a time when KitRanger had been discussed by lots of people) and then toDay finds my comment suspicious for outing Kit.

Really. This does not look good.

I can see where you're coming from with some of this, but a lot of this post is either misleading or untrue.

Here are those first two posts (in full, so they can't be twisted out of context):

Originally Posted by Eönwë

This is a good point!

For reference, here is the vote count (borrowed from Nog's post with the last vote added):

Lhuna -> Lhuna
Rikae -> Brinniel
G55 -> Rikae
Boro -> Pitchwife
Urwen -> G55
Pitchwife -> Brinniel 2
Kath -> G55 2
Shasta -> Pitchwife 2
Kitanna -> Pitchwife 3
Inzil -> G55 3
Lottie -> G55 4
Greenie -> Macalaure
THE Ka -> Brinniel 3
Eönwë -> Urwen
Rune -> Brinniel 4
Lommy -> G55 5
Huines -> G55 6
Legate -> Brinn 5
Macalaure -> Brinn 6
Brinniel -> G55 7
Sally -> Brinniel



One thing that I don't think people have really addressed toDay is that Pitch was seriously on the chopping block yesterDay and then managed to get taken out of the running, and a large part of that was G55 becoming an eligible vote candidate due to Zil and Lottie.

As a side note, come to think of it, Boro writing the above post and not mentioning this specifically when Pitch was the only viable non-Brinn vote-candidate at the time, while also voting for Pitch and not including the full vote-list (and thus leaving others to find out for themselves) could suggest a potential arms-length Boro-Pitch Infector pairing, which is an interesting idea that I'm going to have to look into.

On the other hand, while I'm sure there are wolves hiding in both the late Brinn and G55 votes, I think some of the earlier votes look like they could also be interesting (for example Shasta and Kitanna's Pitch-waggon that temporarily made Pitch the most-voted), but I will need to look at them more closely when I have time.

However, if Brinn does turn out to be a wolf, THE Ka and Legate are potential candidates for treading the (Infector-y) just-risky-enough-to-not-seem-throwaway-but-not-directly-leading-to-packmate-being-quarantined vote line.

Originally Posted by Eönwë

Maybe I'm just paranoid and seeing possible wolf-groups everywhere, but after their coordinated votes yesterDay and this post:

I can't help wondering if Shasta and Kitanna aren't an Infector duo being too obvious and just messing with us (though whether this would make Brinn more likely to be an Infector or someone they're trying to frame is up in the air).

In the first post, I mention that those two voting for a third when there were already two with 2 votes each bore more looking at and the next post was based on that.

Then, after sleeping for a night, seeing the next page being full of discussion about Kit, I was thinking about how bad Zil bringing up Kit felt to me (and everyone else seemingly), and decided to look at different people's reactions to the discussion. And Shasta seemed to the clearest case of someone trying to suppress the discussion about the Ranger while also trying to distance Kit from the role/make it seem like a foregone conclusion that Kit was the Ranger.

Originally Posted by Eönwë

Now that the Ranger discussion has been brought out into the public, I have to say that this post makes me feel better about Shasta:

I know last time I said that it is possible that they are both wolves being cheeky, but it does seem more likely that he was, at least in that instance, trying to bury this discussion by pointing to Kit's post as something anyone might say. Again, it is possible that they are being very bold wolves, but generally, it seems risky to attach so closely to another wolf especially when you've voted in the same way. So whoever Shasta thinks the Ranger is, I think he is trying to protect them here by trying to suppress this discussion that has just been blown open (luckily not enough for any reveals to occur). Thus doesn't necessarily say anything about Kit's role, or even what Shasta thinks about Kit's role - whether he believes/believed that she is a gifted, ordo, or wolf, discussion of the Ranger is dangerous for the real Ranger.

Specifically, I was moving the discussion from Kit to people's interaction with the conversation, and note that I specifically mentioned that she could still be other roles, which was certainly possible - a number of people toDay have confirmed (or at least claimed) that they didn't think she was really the Ranger.

Also, you should note that (at least as far as I can tell when looking back), I was the one who originally brought up that Shasta looked better for this - Lottie was the one who agreed with me. So that was a false statement.

On the other hand, you posted this:

Originally Posted by Lalaith

Ok I wasn't going to say anything about The Kit Thing but seeing as it's being openly discussed - *glares at certain people* -
Could the people who are still putting Kit in the 'slightly/fairly' suspicious category please explain to me - how would a Kitwolf know G55 was lying about being a Ranger? All a Kitwolf would know was that G55 was not a wolf.

While it may have been obvious to you that Kit was the Ranger, clearly it wasn't a foregone conclusion to others, and therefore it seems reasonable that people (innocent people that is) would either still suspect her, of if they really did believe her, would want to muddy the waters a bit. I still think those who act like everyone should have just accepted that Kit had outed herself are suspicious.


edit: grammar