That was a crazy end to Day 1. After talk of fake votes we then end up with a fake reveal! At least the village might be quieter with the Cobbler gone, but I dread to think how many QT posts there will end up being ...
As to why
Rikae for the Night kill, I would assume the wolves were gunning for someone they thought might be the Seer. It would seem foolish for them not to always be aiming for a Gifted. Trying to set up frame jobs is all well and good in theory but their aim surely has to be to get rid of the greatest danger towards them.
Just going through yesterDay's votes. Have skimmed toDay but not read properly so sorry if things have already been mentioned/answered.
YesterDay's vote tally - I've put known roles in bold in the votes themselves, otherwise I've bolded as normal when talking about it:
Lhuna -> Lhuna
Rikae -> Brinniel (For immediately repeating 2 of 3 names from my list as suspicions, and then backtracking explicitly to avoid getting caught in a trap right after I explained to G55 that my post was intended as a wolf trap.) ~
Rikae
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rikae
So, just putting this here because I think this could be important later. This Brinn-wagon everyone's talking about is two votes at this point, mine and Pitch's.
And the people who expressed concern about it are Huey, Lottie and Inzil, in that order (let me know if I missed someone).
Now, I found Pitch suspicious from the beginning, although just for vibes really, and Brinn could have started looking like a convenient vote. On the other hand, three people pushing back on a wagon for coming out of nowhere after two reasoned votes (by day 1 standards) is odd, too, especially if Brinn turns out wolfish or the trolley is redirected toward an innocent. Lottie's and Inzil's positions in the anti-Brinnwagon-wagon are, that is - Huey's is pretty bold.
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A lot of
Rikae's posts are understandably largely debate with
G55, but this one seems to put forward most of their opinions from the Day. They are right about the supposed
Brinn-wagon, other
Brinn voters don't appear until a while later. Six other votes were cast before
THE Ka, Rune, Legate and
sally then also vote for
Brinn. They mention
Inzil and
Lottie's votes being suspiciously placed in terms of going against a
Brinn-wagon, but actually they were also after
Shasta and
Kitanna had just made it 3 votes for
Pitch as opposed to 2 votes for
Brinn, so they had also had the same effect.
G55 ->
Rikae
Boro -> Pitchwife
Urwen ->
G55
Pitchwife -> Brinniel 2
Kath ->
G55 2
Shasta -> Pitchwife 2 (I'm jerking the reins a bit here) ~
Shasta
I'd be interested to know a bit more about this vote,
Shasta. This vote created a three way tie at the time between
Pitch, G55 and
Brinn. It's certainly consistent with his earlier suspicions, I just wonder why
Pitch over
Brinn at this point, especially with the comment at the point of vote as well.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shasta
Of those with votes, I won't vote for Rikae, could vote for Brinn or Pitch, and probably won't be voting for G55 unless it's to save someone I think is innocent.
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From here, the cross posting of votes makes things difficult. The next vote I would normally consider more carefully, as it was the first to put anyone up to three votes, but it was cross-posted and it isn't clear with how many previous posts.
Kitanna -> Pitchwife 3
Inzil ->
G55 3
Same issue - this was cross posted. So
Inzil didn't know
Kit had made it 3 for
Pitch at the time he made it 3 for
G55. So really, this is the vote that technically first took someone into the lead for the lynch.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Inzil
There's no one else I would want at this point, and it could say a lot about Legate, Pitch, and Rikae.
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I'd like to know what he now thinks this says about
Legate and
Pitch, especially in relation to knowing
Rikae's role now.
Lottie ->
G55 4
Not a cross posted vote and so knows this vote puts
G55 into prime position for the lynch.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lottie
I think this lynch gives us the most information going forward, and I would be very surprised if she turns out to be innocent.
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She earlier agreed with
Kitanna about the
G-L-P trio looking wolfy.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lottie
I've been going back and forth on who I think looks most wolf-like of those three, too. I tend to be more suspicious of G55 and Pitch at first glance, but I've had a very hard time getting a good feel on Legate.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lottie
Pitch brings up one of G55's first posts, which has been commented on before, and throws a bit of suspicion her way. This looks to me like Pitch doesn't want to be tied to G55 or seen as defending her, and it makes me more likely to believe Huin's hypothesis that they might both be wolves.
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Gets drawn into the
G55/Rikae stuff, and also doesn't like that
G55 says
Kitanna seems tense. Continues to feel
G55 and
Pitch may be a wolf pair.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lottie
If we were doing the bonus vote, I would definitely be voting for G55 at this point.
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Ok, so this all seems very consistent and I would really now like to know what she thinks about
Pitch given
G55 turned out to be a Cobbler and not a wolf. Also, as I was reading through, both her own posts and posts about her seem to somehow make her and
Kitanna a pair, I guess from when she followed on the
G-L-P idea from
Kitanna.
Greenie -> Macalaure
Cross posted with the previous 4 votes. So at this point,
Greenie thought
Brinn and
G55 had 2,
Rikae, Pitch and
Lhuna had one. An interesting point at which to throw in a new name. It's for coming up with an argument against
Brinn sort of on the spot and then backdating said argument to an earlier post, I think. It's interesting coming after her earlier post:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenie
I still think Brinn looks sketchy, and I agree with Mac's points about her, but at the same time Mac's post about her makes me really uneasy.
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So one post from
Mac ended up changing her from
Brinn (who had 2 votes at this point) to
Mac. And actually, she kind of agreed with
Mac about
Brinn's suspicious post:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenie
Still, this is the fishiest thing I’ve seen so far so definitely merits a reread.
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So is the suspicion of
Mac because he's almost gone on the same reasoning but his seems contrived opposed to hers? It's a less interesting placement for a new name on the list than it could have been due to the cross posting but still was the only other new name besides
Urwen.
THE Ka -> Brinniel 3
Ok, not a cross posted vote so knows
G55 is already on 4. She seemed to be debating between
Brinn and
Lottie.
Quote:
Originally Posted by THE Ka
Between Brinn and Loslote, Brinn is playing far safer in their submarine by just throwing a ‘I have a hunch’ dart at Zil and following the G55-Rikae debate with mild defense of the Day 1 blues. That’s safe and yes, even villagers could take up that tactic, but this consistently? Hrrm.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by THE Ka
Between the two, only Loslote has when come under fire participated in giving a reason why at least for their support for either side in either debate, while Brinn so far as I’ve caught up, has shied away consistently. It makes me all the more suspicious Brinn is playing it entirely too safe out of the two.
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So she had pretty much settled on
Brinn as a vote, but it also would have been a strange time to put
Lottie into the mix anyway.
Eönwë -> Urwen
I don't like this vote, just as I didn't like
Urwen's in the first place. He talks about
Zil, Brinn and
Lommy all being suspicious, and then plumps for someone totally unrelated. 13 votes had been cast with 8 remaining at this point. No one liked
Urwen's vote, but did
Eonwe really think this was going somewhere?
Rune -> Brinniel 4
Rune said this was cross posted with everyone from 244. I would like to know if that includes 244 because that was
Kit's vote for
Brinn. Is
Rune pushing up
Brinn to tie with
G55 here or did he not know that?
Lommy ->
G55 5
No cross voting so knew she was putting
G55 into the lead and adds the comment:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lommy
Let's make this more interesting then
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Which is indeed interesting ... I would very much like to know what she was thinking with this.
Hui ->
G55 6
Hui clearly stated he wanted to avoid
Brinn getting lynched and so chose
G55 because she had the higher vote tally. It's a bold statement to make at a point where no roles were known. What made him think
Brinn was definitely worth saving?
Legate -> Brinniel 5
Out of the options, which by now are realistically
Brinn, G55, Pitch - definitely
Brinn. Earlier thought
Pitch might be Cobbler and thought
G55 was playing in her usual style.
Kitanna would have been his fake vote. By the time it got to real voting, this would have been a real throwaway so not going with it does make sense.
Brinn is the highest up in his suspicions list so this vote does seem logical.
Mac -> Brinniel 6
Not a cross post, knows he's tying
Brinn, knows this doesn't mean she's the lynch.
Brinn ->
G55 7
Little to read from 'I have to save myself'. An innocent knows they're an innocent, doesn't know what
G55 is, has to save themselves. A wolf knows they're guilty, knows
G55 is an innocent, has to save themselves!
Sally -> Brinniel 7
This was the only vote after the reveal and again little to read from it. An innocent would be desperate to save the Ranger, a wolf would be desperate to be seen that they were trying to save the Ranger.
Lalaith - no vote
Lal, in the interests of the fact that the Day could have ended really differently, who would you have voted for there? I know it's with hindsight, but would still be interesting!