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Old 03-23-2014, 05:02 PM   #206
Ivriniel
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As for Dior he was without debate the first of the Peredhil. He himself announces this and Tolkien confirms it.
Not quite. He also had quite a good splash of Maia blood. Luthien could shape change. It's not at all clear what powers he would have had.

We'll never know what would have happened to him, and how long he would have lived, were he ruler of Menegroth, indefinitely. Though, given Elwing's fate, I'm sure Tolkien could have weaved in another 'Mandos-exception' twist about Dior. Though, Mandos tended to do that only for particularly heroic, heroically-heroin-isation of the hero-est-est. Best. Est. Heroishly heroic.

My instincts warn that he would have died, a mortal life, without the heroism intervention. When you compare Elladan, Elrohir and Arwen, and that Eldar-ishness was lost easily, quickly and readily, rather than the converse. That is, even when one's blood ran in one's vein's three part elf and one part man--that was no guarantee. One way ticket stuff. Once you choose, even if you marry an Eldar (i.e. you meet someone after you choose). Too bad, off to Mandos you go.

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I personally and this is just personal choice, don't buy the story of Imrazor and Mithrellas. I don't think there were ever any other marriages between Elves and men than: Luthien and Beren, and Tuor with Idril. Consequently it's easier for me to accept that Dior and his sons were given a choice in the Halls of Mandos and the two branches of Peredhil were united in the children of Earendil and Elwing.
I know all the dirt on her Silvan (as Mithrellas, i.e. lesser stature and....?) She was still Elvish (there are ways the Peredhil choice is caste where its association with the Line of Earendil is not imputed)-->so this Peredhil (was still a Half-Elf) died mortally. But, my only addendum is that we don't know what would have happened if Mithrellas snatched the kids, tossed them on a Straight-Road boat and trundled them off to Valinor (sorry, Eressea). It was my sense that this half-brood leaned towards mortality, having a domineering Numenorean dad who scared his gf off, but kept the kids....

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