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Originally Posted by cellurdur
Possible, but we hear that Gandalf did not go to Gondor much in that time. The Sea Kings were too proud and too strong to listen to his council.
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my knowledge for Istari timelines, when they arrived, the King in power, who that King courted and so on are not good atm.
I'd need to do some super-sleuth work to make some inferences...
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Yes, but Arwen was constantly travelling between Imladris and Lothlorien. It's not that surprising for her to have left it for Aragorn there or even sent it with Elronds sons (when they travelled there before the Fellowship left). Even at Rivendell Aragorn seemed aware he was going to be given the Elessar, since he request that Bilbo put a line about the stone in his song.
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I'd given that some thought, and had decided that, should this idea apply, then Celebrian would have been in Middle Earth (when) Aragorn was betrothed to Arwen in Lothlorien. I don't have enough recall of dates to know when Celebrian was waylaid by Orcs in the Misty Mountains, when Elladan and Elrohir rescued her, and then when she departed for the West.
But--Celebrian would have needed to have been in Middle Earth when Aragorn was about 50 (unless she smelled out Arwen and Aragorn much sooner, when Aragorn was "newly to manhood", i.e. about 21? in Rivendell when he called Arwen 'Tinuviel'. I'm not sure she was--or was she?
About Numenorean 'magic'. I read somewhere it wasn't 'elfy magic' but a variant, was it about 'Lore' that I recall, versus a magick-y word. The contrast really stuck with me at the time, as it opened up a dimension about magical expression in Middle Earth I had not ever fathomed. But for the life of me, do you think I have ever been able to find the citation--ever--again and not for having tried!
Does anyone know this material, here? (I might start a thread)