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Tirinor · 01-05-2003, 08:41 PM

I understand what you are saying, and that may be exzactly what Tolkien had in mind, but I don't like it. It doesn't seem like the cookies I made would be effected by the cookie made by you/god-like entity. It doesn't stand to reason, other than Tolkien said so - so it is. Most of Tolkien's creation is better supported than that.

Here's an analogy I just thought up that makes for a better answer, in my opinion, but is purely speculative for my part. In an episode of the Simpsons, Homer joins the Masons and enjoys the priviledges extended to those of that order. One of those priviledges is a door opener to a secret bypass tunnel to avoid rush hour traffic. What if ME inhabitants function on a "rush hour traffic" power plane? And the supernatural can function in both the "rush hour" plane, and the special plane of power? (So far I don't think this is too wacky, It is pretty clear that the Valar transcend the physical realm of ME to an extent, although my explaination doesn't correspond exactly to that transcendence.) So, perhaps Sauron gave the Elves his passcode, they incorporated it into the construction of their rings, and their rings power is fueled by the supernatural power plane. Their rings' power would not come from Sauron directly, but would be enabled by him. and when Sauron expires, his password expires. And there you have it, the rings can't access the bypass and are stuck in rush hour.

The problem is, it's all speculation. Also, the analogy is a bit shaky, and the power planes and passcodes theory is unsupported by any text that I can think of. All this is to say: the best way I could think of as to how the rings were related doesn't work so great.

[ January 07, 2003: Message edited by: Tirinor ]

01-05-2003, 08:41 PM	#28
Tirinor Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Alabama, U.S.A. Posts: 90	I understand what you are saying, and that may be exzactly what Tolkien had in mind, but I don't like it. It doesn't seem like the cookies I made would be effected by the cookie made by you/god-like entity. It doesn't stand to reason, other than Tolkien said so - so it is. Most of Tolkien's creation is better supported than that. Here's an analogy I just thought up that makes for a better answer, in my opinion, but is purely speculative for my part. In an episode of the Simpsons, Homer joins the Masons and enjoys the priviledges extended to those of that order. One of those priviledges is a door opener to a secret bypass tunnel to avoid rush hour traffic. What if ME inhabitants function on a "rush hour traffic" power plane? And the supernatural can function in both the "rush hour" plane, and the special plane of power? (So far I don't think this is too wacky, It is pretty clear that the Valar transcend the physical realm of ME to an extent, although my explaination doesn't correspond exactly to that transcendence.) So, perhaps Sauron gave the Elves his passcode, they incorporated it into the construction of their rings, and their rings power is fueled by the supernatural power plane. Their rings' power would not come from Sauron directly, but would be enabled by him. and when Sauron expires, his password expires. And there you have it, the rings can't access the bypass and are stuck in rush hour. The problem is, it's all speculation. Also, the analogy is a bit shaky, and the power planes and passcodes theory is unsupported by any text that I can think of. All this is to say: the best way I could think of as to how the rings were related doesn't work so great. [ January 07, 2003: Message edited by: Tirinor ] __________________ War Eagle.