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Originally Posted by Kath

"If ever oh ever a wiz there was the wizard of Oz is one because; because, because, because, becaauuuuusssee ..."

Wait, wait, wait, wrong kind of wizard right? I mean I haven't seen any green city round here, and no hot air balloons either. Maybe that clears Green of being an evil wizard type. Or maybe that's what she wants us to think and she's really green as ... as ... a really green evil thing. Like spinach.

Eurgh. Spinach. Just thinking of that has me feeling sick. I'm out of here.

This was a basis of suspicion for some people. I can see it, and if Kath were a bold wolf, this could have been an overt attempt to let the cobbler know who's boss, but honestly, given how early it was, and how she responded to others' reactions to it, I think it was just random. There wasn't much to go on at the time, and Kath does enjoy the wacky, so I think this was just silliness. Innocent or wizard silliness, I don't know, but I really don't think anything was meant by it.

Originally Posted by Kath

Had found myself worrying about Volo. There seemed to be a lot of looking at what everyone else had done and not giving much away. Then suddenly he comes out with big bold statements which made me feel a lot better about him.

Originally Posted by Kath

Am still worried about Volo having re-read my thoughts. Don't like that he was suspicious of me for possibly deliberately failing to respond to a comment on me being Cobbler-ish. Also he did spend nearly the whole Day not giving strong opinions on anything. Will see if looking at toDay changes my mind on that.

I think these two bits about Volo are Kath legitimately not being able to make up her mind. In the former, she says she worries about him, then that some of his posts make her feel better, but in the latter she goes back to being worried.

The point I would like to make here, however, is that she doesn't call him suspicious. She doesn't say he might be a wizard. She says she worries about him. If we go back to the theory (which I hold at least a little stock in) that Volo was killed because the wizards thought he might be the clever troll, it's entirely possible Kath could have picked up on that and been making a note there, either for her own benefit or for that of her guild mates. Speaking of which....

Originally Posted by Kath

Quick note having read the narration - I don't think it's a surprise Volo was killed. When I was posting about him yesterDay I kept having freak-outs that his weird behaviour could be Seerish. Least we got lucky with him being the Cobbler rather than the actual Seer!

She even says she thought he could have been the seer. So, you know, not good.

Originally Posted by Kath

Question about the Rikae debacle: has she actually quit? 'Cause if she has we're down another player assuming Bane is modkilled toDay. And if she has quit when will her death occur. ToNight? ToMorrow's end of Day? Having dead weight hanging round without knowing the role will be irritating for trying to work out roles. How many wizards are we after, if the Seer (assuming she isn't it) is lynched/killed are there Gifted's left to be aware of etc.

Kath is asking questions here I'm not entirely comfortable with. I understand the desire to know what's going on, but if Rikae is innocent, I could see this as a Kath jumping up and down to see who all will be struck down without effort.

In fact, the fact that she specifically said, "Are there gifteds left to be aware of, etc." really looks quite bad. After all, who would be the most interested to see if the gifteds are dead? The wolves.

Originally Posted by Kath

I am a weeny bit confused. sally posts this, stating she thinks Gil is unlikely to have been dreamed a wolf as Seer-Brinn would have pushed much harder for the lynch had she dreamed him.

But there's no explanatin of how Gil is suspicious in a way other than being a potential dreamed wolf. sally then votes Gil with no further explanation than 'you're suspicious'.

I don't like it.

This was explained by Nerwen and possibly others. I have no problem with Kath finding that strange, as I know she's been pressed for time. I could see an evil Kath using this to try to spin people against me, but I could just as easily see an innocent Kath missing something and acting on inaccurate information. This could really go either way, so....nothing here, I guess?

Originally Posted by Kath

I would say it is the 'if it came between him and Rikae' bit that's important. She is making a very clear statement that she won't vote Rikae. I'd say she was the dream there.

I won't completely dismiss Kath's point here. Yes, Brinn seemed to trust Rikae more than Morsul, but let's add some context to her (Brinn's) statement. We all know how Morsul was acting. Between Morsul and Rikae, on any given Day, Morsul is probably going to be acting more suspicious. Again, I'm not denying the fact that Brinn could have dreamt Rikae, but she also could have expressed this preference because of their actions or because she didn't have a clue and flipped a coin or simply because she enjoys playing with Rikae. Between Rikae and Morsul, she preferred to lynch Morsul, but that was also a choice between Rikae and Morsul, so let's not forget that. And I swear, that's all I'm saying on that matter.

She then brings up the thing about me and Gil again, which at this point no longer seems like a Kath who didn't know any better, but rather a Kath with an agenda.

The next Day(s) she goes after me and has been consistent more or less ever since. Okay, fair enough, I suppose, but....you know you misunderstood the whole Gil thing, right?

Originally Posted by Kath

Is it worth the Ranger revealing toDay? Say if sally was the Ranger and revealed, that leaves us with 4 unknowns rather than 5. Bad luck we lynch an innocent we're down to 1 wolf and 3 innocents. Ranger gets Night killed we're down to 1 wolf and 2 innocents and have to get it right toMorrow.

The maths is still the same even without the reveal but it would give a bit of a rallying point. I'm just flat out fed up of coming to read the thread and wanting to leave because I'm uncomfortable with these horrible exchanges. That's not werewolf, that's personal. To have a 'known' innocent (assuming we trust the reveal or there's not a counter reveal or a triple, double bluff reveal!!) would be nice!

I'm sorry, but no. As Nerwen said, I don't like the push for the ranger to reveal; at this point, the only thing it's going to do is get them killed.

Originally Posted by Kath

I would like some evidence for sally's assertion that 'Brinn trusted me'. We saw the Rikae evidence but was there actually any for sally?

Not much, to be honest. I mostly used myself to make a point. Here is what Brinn had to say on me.

Originally Posted by Brinn

I don't like all of Sally's bantering, but then again it is Sally.

Originally Posted by Brinn

Sally: Voted for Pom. Most of her posts are banter, which isn't helpful. But her late vote for Pom makes me inclined to think she's innocent.

Originally Posted by Brinn

Looking Innocentish
Sally
Rikae
Copper
Greenie
Shasta

Originally Posted by Brinn

Sally: I suppose there's always the possibility she's a very sneaky wizard who threw her mate under the bus, but I see no reason to suspect her.

So, you know, Brinn never suspected me either, which is the point I was trying to make earlier. It doesn't mean she dreamt me though, just that she trusted me (which again, is the point I was trying to make earlier, blah blah).

Originally Posted by Kath

Nerwen is also right about Rikae. I have seen her behave this way as many times guilty as innocent. Our own reading of Brinn's dreams could well be wrong. However, that's all we have. Maybe it's a mass delusion but I'm with Nerwen on having to hope it's not.

Nog - now for as much as he says he has no read on me I have to say I feel the same about him. Will definitely have a proper look at him later.

Kath has spent much of the game having no read on people. I'm not implying she's done it intentionally -I honestly believe she's been busy- but it's also a convenient place for a wolf to hide.


Conclusion: Suspecting someone (who suspected her, by the way) of being a seer and having that person conveniently die, continuing with a flawed logic even after it was explained to her, being pretty vague on everyone but the person she's been voting, suggesting the ranger reveal toDay, saying she might vote Rikae just out of annoyance....yeah, I'm not so sure now the wizard couldn't be Kath.

You know, I think maybe you're all evil.