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Coppermirror · 01-26-2013, 01:47 PM

I'm having a lot of trouble toDay. Or in more appropriate troll-speak, blimey, them wizer's schemes ain't half givin' me an 'eadache.

It's troublesome that whether Rikae is innocent or not, this has taken up so much of the Day for so many people. With the numbers we're dealing with it's already hard (for me, anyway) to give each the attention and analysis that's needed.

So, since I'm not going to have time to look in depth at everyone, I'm going to pick Boro because of some suspicions I have about him and because I want to see if that stacks up to the facts. It'll help me out a lot if he responds to my question at #343.

Boro-analysis/summary

Day 1:

#70 - Doesn't like my vote for him, for fairly obvious reasons. Says that Morsul's is less bothersome because there's a clear line of logic and can see what he's thinking.

#86 - Thinks Gil is looking in the wrong place and hence would vote Gil if it came down to Gil vs Nerwen. But doesn't seem to really suspect Gil, given knowledge of Gil's style. Thinks wizards may be leaping at an offered redshirt.

- Top suspicions are me, for my vote for him, and Brin, for her vote for Nerwen. Feels reluctant to vote for people who won't be back before deadline. A bit suspicious of Nog for being noncommittal. He states he doesn't want to see Nerwen, Gil, or Rikae lynched that Day, and gives reasons.

#133 - Says there is a counter-Cop wagon to bus McCaber to the front. (Bus? I thought that was a term used for wolves. Will go and check the definitions post.) Anyway, he comments on how little hard evidence there is and how the voting will be revealing toMorrow. (Not particularly helpful, but not suspicious either.)

#136 - Votes for me, saying he doesn't see his mind changing and "so might as well go now and see what shakes out".

Day 2:

#162 - Thinks that Sally looks best, and that Shasta, Inzil, and Lottie look fairly good too. I'm also inclined to think that the latter two look reasonably good on the info so far, but am not so sure about Shasta.

Thinks that the Pom-voters look clean and that those who tried to put forward other candidates - Volo, Nog, and Ozban - look worse. Not listing himself as someone who also tried to go for another candidate after Pom's slip. Out of the three listed there, two are proven not to be wolves. Of course, a lot of other people also thought that non-Pom voters were suspicious.

Did not show up for the rest of the day or to vote, for accepted RL reasons.

Day 3

#278 - Begins analysis.

Suspicious of Greenie for subtle steering attempts and hypocrisy. Thinks she should still have strong suspicions of McCaber. Thinks Bane looks okay so far. Thinks Brin on Day 1 wasn't as bad as he thought, and that her reasoning looks honest on Day 2 although he doesn't agree with her trust of Greenie.

#307 - rest of analysis.
Coppermirror - still dislikes my vote, but thinks he could just have revengeful feelings, and thinks Pom's vote and reaction doesn't fit with interpreting me as a wizard.
Gil - doesn't think a wizard Gil would be laying things on so thick.
Inzil - thinks he looks innocent. Personally I think Inzil looks more likely to be innocent too.
Kath - nothing much to say.
Lottie - thinks looks as good as Inzil, but notes that she could be a wizard who was leaving her options open.
McCaber - Argues against some of the points people brought up as suspicious about McCab. Says Greenie's reaction at some times was not good, and Nog's was worse.
Morsul - opinion same as on Day 1.
Nerwen - says little about her.
Nogrod - sees red flags. Thinks might be a wizard who was trying to look like a cobbler.
Rikae - leaning innocent towards her. Makes another point about Greenie.
Sally - thinks looks innocent and making good votes.
Shasta - thinks Shasta wouldn't vote for a teammate when he wasn't under threat or in particular need of looking innocent. (I disagree, based on the first game I played with him. Even so, he did give the deciding Pom vote this time, which is a much more serious situation.)

#320 - speculates about self-voting Rikae's intentions. Thinks she may be trying to protect someone. Considers possibility that she might be trying to stop her packmates from trying to save her.

#323 - responds to Greenie's statement (which said that Boro's looking bad but she won't elaborate yet).

#335 - responds to Greenie and says he'll be waiting for her eventual explanation.

So, overall, it's Boro's Day 1 vote which makes me suspicious, because it looks like a possible attempt to save Pom and he hasn't commented much on his reasoning. (Granted, Nog also looks suspicious on those grounds.) That aside, I find that some of his opinions are reasonable, and that that makes him less suspicious than I thought. It doesn't convince me completely, but it does mean that until I see more of Boro and get some more info, I won't be voting for him. I'm also very curious about the kerfuffle between him and Greenie toDay.

Edit: cross-posted since #363. And spelling.

01-26-2013, 01:47 PM	#367
Coppermirror Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 344	I'm having a lot of trouble toDay. Or in more appropriate troll-speak, blimey, them wizer's schemes ain't half givin' me an 'eadache. It's troublesome that whether Rikae is innocent or not, this has taken up so much of the Day for so many people. With the numbers we're dealing with it's already hard (for me, anyway) to give each the attention and analysis that's needed. So, since I'm not going to have time to look in depth at everyone, I'm going to pick Boro because of some suspicions I have about him and because I want to see if that stacks up to the facts. It'll help me out a lot if he responds to my question at #343. Boro-analysis/summary Day 1: #70 - Doesn't like my vote for him, for fairly obvious reasons. Says that Morsul's is less bothersome because there's a clear line of logic and can see what he's thinking. #86 - Thinks Gil is looking in the wrong place and hence would vote Gil if it came down to Gil vs Nerwen. But doesn't seem to really suspect Gil, given knowledge of Gil's style. Thinks wizards may be leaping at an offered redshirt. - Top suspicions are me, for my vote for him, and Brin, for her vote for Nerwen. Feels reluctant to vote for people who won't be back before deadline. A bit suspicious of Nog for being noncommittal. He states he doesn't want to see Nerwen, Gil, or Rikae lynched that Day, and gives reasons. #133 - Says there is a counter-Cop wagon to bus McCaber to the front. (Bus? I thought that was a term used for wolves. Will go and check the definitions post.) Anyway, he comments on how little hard evidence there is and how the voting will be revealing toMorrow. (Not particularly helpful, but not suspicious either.) #136 - Votes for me, saying he doesn't see his mind changing and "so might as well go now and see what shakes out". Day 2: #162 - Thinks that Sally looks best, and that Shasta, Inzil, and Lottie look fairly good too. I'm also inclined to think that the latter two look reasonably good on the info so far, but am not so sure about Shasta. Thinks that the Pom-voters look clean and that those who tried to put forward other candidates - Volo, Nog, and Ozban - look worse. Not listing himself as someone who also tried to go for another candidate after Pom's slip. Out of the three listed there, two are proven not to be wolves. Of course, a lot of other people also thought that non-Pom voters were suspicious. Did not show up for the rest of the day or to vote, for accepted RL reasons. Day 3 #278 - Begins analysis. Suspicious of Greenie for subtle steering attempts and hypocrisy. Thinks she should still have strong suspicions of McCaber. Thinks Bane looks okay so far. Thinks Brin on Day 1 wasn't as bad as he thought, and that her reasoning looks honest on Day 2 although he doesn't agree with her trust of Greenie. #307 - rest of analysis. Coppermirror - still dislikes my vote, but thinks he could just have revengeful feelings, and thinks Pom's vote and reaction doesn't fit with interpreting me as a wizard. Gil - doesn't think a wizard Gil would be laying things on so thick. Inzil - thinks he looks innocent. Personally I think Inzil looks more likely to be innocent too. Kath - nothing much to say. Lottie - thinks looks as good as Inzil, but notes that she could be a wizard who was leaving her options open. McCaber - Argues against some of the points people brought up as suspicious about McCab. Says Greenie's reaction at some times was not good, and Nog's was worse. Morsul - opinion same as on Day 1. Nerwen - says little about her. Nogrod - sees red flags. Thinks might be a wizard who was trying to look like a cobbler. Rikae - leaning innocent towards her. Makes another point about Greenie. Sally - thinks looks innocent and making good votes. Shasta - thinks Shasta wouldn't vote for a teammate when he wasn't under threat or in particular need of looking innocent. (I disagree, based on the first game I played with him. Even so, he did give the deciding Pom vote this time, which is a much more serious situation.) #320 - speculates about self-voting Rikae's intentions. Thinks she may be trying to protect someone. Considers possibility that she might be trying to stop her packmates from trying to save her. #323 - responds to Greenie's statement (which said that Boro's looking bad but she won't elaborate yet). #335 - responds to Greenie and says he'll be waiting for her eventual explanation. So, overall, it's Boro's Day 1 vote which makes me suspicious, because it looks like a possible attempt to save Pom and he hasn't commented much on his reasoning. (Granted, Nog also looks suspicious on those grounds.) That aside, I find that some of his opinions are reasonable, and that that makes him less suspicious than I thought. It doesn't convince me completely, but it does mean that until I see more of Boro and get some more info, I won't be voting for him. I'm also very curious about the kerfuffle between him and Greenie toDay. Edit: cross-posted since #363. And spelling.