[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Nog

That is the easy way out. Give some reasons so I can try to tell you why you're wrong.

Just saying: "blah-blah, say what you want, I just am not convinced" is not the most fruitful approach to a game of Werewolf. Especially if the other person has explained why the reasons the other one claims to suspect him are false.

Also, I find it at least a bit dubious she thinks it is okay to suspect others for "putting words into other peoples' mouths" and then does it herself - using that more or less as a basis for her vote...

Take it down a notch, please. You're implying here that I'm purposefully disregarding another player (you, in this case), which is both unkind and untrue.

There's a difference between blah-blah and not buying an argument. If you really think this is a subject we should waste our energy on, then fine. You wanted to know why I'm not convinced by your further defence of your argument against Lottie, right? The original argument was as follows:

Okay. My initial reason to suspect Lottie more than Zil from their more or less similar actions (turning their wheels on Bom) was that unlike Zil who added the "it might be taken in many ways", Lottie went on saying "never mind, then".

Now it is hard for me to see any innocent saying that because someone acts suspiciously - and that is his habit - then there is no reaason to look after that person, that we should not mind ourselves with that person at all.

An innocent fears everyone as an innocent doesn't know the roles of others. Thus an innocent can't give a free pass to anyone. An innocent can't afford to say "never mind that person".

I won't repeat what I said to this, would be a waste of time. Anyway, the following arguments are below.

And you are not reaching when you say Lottie meant "never mind that particular point against that person".

She said "never mind, then". And to me that reads like "I'll drop the suspicion", not "I'm watching him closely but will dismiss this particualr suspicion".

I already quoted this one toDay, asking for clarification. Basically, there are a few problems with this one. First off, the difference between your two options of how it could be read seem, to me, to be more or less the same thing. Secondly, you seem to have forgotten that it was early on Day 1 and the original suspicion on Bom had not been a strong one. The "watching closely" part would have been quite unnecessary - it kind of goes without saying, at least to most of us, that dismissing a particular argument against somebody (especially early on Day 1) doesn't mean forgetting about them for the rest of the game. The way I read it, Lottie's "never mind" was referring to the particular point against Bom. She has confirmed this herself, which might be genuine or might not be.

Originally Posted by Nog

Also, I think I made it clear why I think Lottie looks suspicious. Greenie seems to have had no time or wish to comment on my explanation on that (#47). And what I said in #55 doesn't make Greenie look any better.

This is not a new argument, so I don't need to say much about it - basically, yes, you made it clear, but I didn't find the reasons very valid.

I just checked it: Greenie never mentions Zil in her late posting, even if he was under some considerable pressure. But she made her "decision" on me on grounds of defending Galadriel (for which there was no reason) and Lottie (to whom I was "reaching" - even if I had explained it in two posts why I said I was suspicious of her).

First of all it looks pretty wolvish to vote by "defending others" (in normal situations on D1 the only ones who can do it are wolves). But secondly it makes both Gal & Lottie look more innocent (neither was in dire straits and defending ordos is the best way for a wolf to gain trust and friendship).

But the fact she didn't mention Zil at all, despite the suspicions, makes me wonder if the two really are in cahoots...

A couple of things. First, that you explained your reasons for your suspicion in two posts doesn't necessarily make those reasons any less far-fetched (and before you get worked up, yes, most reasons given on Day 1 are far-fetched). Second, that I suspect you based on your jumps on other players doesn't necessarily make the suspicion defensive by nature. Third, given that I had nothing to say about Zil, why should I have? Just to boost conversation on a topic I had nothing to contribute in and that was getting a bit too much attention as it was?


EDIT: x-ed with Pitch