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Re: Re:Whoooooaaaaaaaaa
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OK, I was utterly outraged reading some ridiculous things Sam just said, so I'll have to answer before I can approvingly read the replies:
I'm not sure I read that properly. You want Harry apologizing to
Colin? He would if he was particularly horrible or something, but for heavens sake! Does Sam apologize to Bill Ferny for chucking apples at him? Not that Harry ever showed something worse than fairly quiet irritation at Colin's pestering.
Secondly. You think someone oculd lie - to
Gandalf?!! he's WIZARD. He knew even when SARUMAN lied to him. And you think a
hobbit might consider it and get away with it?
Does Harry Potter incriminate his friends by lying? No. In fact, when Hermione lies in the first book, she does so to show them she's grateful that they saved her life. And so, I think 'Pippin could have said it was Merry' is just plain stupid. Harry Potter wouldn't have.
Sam is a lot more than a servant. I was never quite able to think of him as a servant. He's Frodo's best friend once they leave the shire. In case it escaped your notice, (Zoe, don't read this) Ron asks Harry's FORGIVENESS for disbelieving him in book 4 - and Harry is big enough to let him off it, nice enough to say 'you don't have to apologize, forget it.'
As to Pippin and the Palantir, that was the first thing I thought of when I wondered where they could have lied and didn't - but the idea is ridiculous. Pippin was a terrified
wreck at that moment. If he'd been lying about it, Gandalf would have known it, if not at that point then afterwards, when Gandalf makes him look up and sees the truth in his eyes. Firstly he was too upset to lie, secondly it was
not in his best intrest. He was in trouble for having looked at all. and if he'd
lied about it, things would not have returned to their (fairly) notmal course - Gandalf wouldn't have accepted him back into the company with 'You remain a fool, but an honest fool.'
Now I read the replies...
Thank you everyone!
Now Sam... To the next argument...
OK, fine, Frodo has a large burden. Three enimies. And he doesn't stand up to it so well, does he now? One of the enimies is no worry till the very end - but anyway - first, he's an ADULT,
50, he can take it, mostly. As to Pippin in his tweens, please remember that when you are 20+ you are no longer considered a 'rebelious teenager', also, I don't know what tennaged hobbits are like.
When I said he doesn't manage so well, I mean look at his behavior in Mordor. He wasn't always the model of kindness, was he? talking to Sam like that. Even if he asked to be forgiven later.
Harry Potter is a
child. With an unhappy childhood, and as soon as he becomes 11 he is happy - but it's not all joy, is it? How would Frodo feel if everyone in the company except Sam was turned against him? (Book 4, whole school except Gryffindors hate Harry.) Or if he had to hear his parents
die? Or if he was faced with their murderer?
In each of these situations - excepting, maybe, the first, in which he just went around being miserable - Harry acted in a way I have to admire.
And besides... look at other Tolkien characters! take Turin. He DEFINATELY wasn't a model to follow, or had particularly good morals. But you can't help liking him.
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Hannah*~
If one puts an idea forward to a true englishman - always a rash thing to do - he never dreams of considering whether the idea is right or wrong. The only thing he considers of any importance is whether one believes in it oneself. ~ Oscar Wilde</p>
Edited by: <A HREF=http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_profile&u=00000108>Hannah 3</A> <IMG SRC=http://www.clipartcastle.com/anim3/shining_star.gif BORDER=0 WIDTH=10 HEIGHT=10> at: 3/17/01 4:32:59 am