[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I hope I am. I truly hope that. But after my last account I can now see there are 201 views on the thread. A lot more than two players would make (add the mods & possible outsiders). And the general count over 200 just makes one think it's not possible without a host of people checking it regularly (the mods and one, then two dead ones do not form a host).

Understandable concern, but as it's been said, this thread has now something like 2500 views at 300 posts, the other one has 200 views at 30 posts. And I would really think the players here are mature enough not to peek at the dead thread! So I would leave that - I am also sure if anybody was doing that, they would confess. I mean, we are not little kids. I also saw the thread when it was put up, like tp said, but exactly there was this very well made announcement "if you are not dead, don't read further" with a huge empty space behind it, and that was enough of a sign for me not to scroll down.

So, yes, I assume everybody would do that (luotetaan itseemme!) and I think we can consider the matter closed.

And now as for really in-game-wise:

Originally Posted by Nogrod

This actually makes me think very suspicious of Legate. After a lonf absence he decides to make this his point? Really? Someone with his brains and experience would have done differently being an ordinary innocent:Somehow I'm feeling this is not only about semantics... but let me make my understanding clear - and then you can judge the merit of this.

In a village, there are innocents and wolves. And then there are gifteds who are innocents but with a special role. At some time during the history of the WW in the 'Downs the cobblers were introduced, but they are counted as innocents as they are not wolves (the winning-tallies count the cobblers as innocents when calculating the winning conditions).

So speaking about an "ordo" means an ordinary innocent aka. having no role.

Speaking of an "innocent" means a non-wolf.

Gifteds and wolves are self-explicating.

However, that counts only if we are talking about the final count in the list (i.e. how many innocents vs. Wolves are there), but not when you are talking about somebody's role. Cobbler is by no means innocent. Honestly, I think you are just playing dumb, Nog, and playing with words. Like I said, I find it very likely that you are a Cobbler yourself. "Innocent", indeed.

Also the fact that you jump on me saying this. Had you been innocent (note: see the use of the word? I certainly mean to say "had you been ordo or gifted", not "ordo, gifted or cobbler", and that's how everybody uses this word, so please) and had you understood my post the way you claim you do (below), I think you wouldn't have minded it as much as to suddenly start suspecting me. You will correct me, yes. But not start kicking around like... erm... ghan-buri-ghan on stims. Or something like that. And you have been doing that a lot in this game. So, please.

Originally Posted by Nog

But the real problem with Legate's post is not this. It is the fact he uses that false point as grounds of suspicion.

There may be different interpretations to the terms to be sure as there are different generations of werewolf-players around, but taking this kind of thing and stating it's "rubbish" and a reason to suspect someone feels pretty awkward, well plain evil.

My grounds for suspicion are all over your posts, not just this. It's been there since the beginning, like I have already said before. You immediately turn against everyone who says a single word about you and start suspecting them (just like you did now with me, see above), and sometimes even for less than that. This is a Cobblery behavior. An innocent does not jump against everybody who says something he doesn't agree with. And a Wolf knows better than to make such a fuss around himself, as it might just as well get him lynched. Ergo, what remains?

That all said, I do not want to lynch you, because it won't help anything. First, it will prevent us from the possibility of lynching a Wolf instead. Second, you will continue wreaking havoc in Mandos. Not willing to do it right now. I think for now, it is better to have you here.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Now I'm really baffled - and I mean in general terms and not just this game. I mean I have heard a lot of people (oftentimes wolves but not everytime) claiming I am aggressive, game after game. But I don't think myself being that. Now this is a really good example of it.

So how is that aggressive? Please tell me.

A comment just to this: honestly put, I don't think you generally are. But as for in this game, yes, you are (again, see above in this post - but I think it is explainable by your role, unless I am totally off about you, which I don't believe right now, so the question you put here in relation to the present is more like rhetorical).

All right. I am going to choose whom to vote probably from among the rest of people I suspect. There are a few others whom I think of as possible Cobblers, I would prefer to avoid them at least for the time being as well... let's take a look...

EDIT: x-ed with Glirdy, phantom, Fea, and the Moddess Herself