[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by the phantom

1) There is absolutely no point to the Lovers hinting in any way towards themselves or even towards their partner, for it will be incredibly obvious once one of them comes back to life that he can be trusted, at which time he can say, "I'm so-and-so, and my partner is ______ !" and then bang, living and dead all know the identities of the two lovers. The Lovers should try and avoid death at any cost early on.

Like I said. Although as Rikae told us, there is a possibility that they both die before the one gets back - and the use of the knowledge about their identities isn't any advantage as they will both die then without any help from the wolves. The lovers help to us is that one of them goes and picks some info from Mandos and shares it here. Then they are gone.

2) The Seer should commit suicide right away.

Like I said in #40, in this game the seer should die rather early than late (before the lovers or the ranger), but hopefully not like toDay. In Mandos the seer can only dream of already dead people, so we'd do fine if the seer would get there packed with at least a few dreams.

3) Glorfindel should... um... I don't know. Commit suicide soon to gain double protections and give us a trusted source until the baddies are forced to flush a kill on him in order to re-dead him? Or stay alive as long as possible to be a late-game news bearer between the threads?

The ranger would be the most powerful visiting Mandos late in the game picking the maximum information and using her/his double-protections to a maximum effect in a small village.

4) Hunter should.... stay alive until a revived innocent can bring him a target from the Seer on the Dead Thread?

A good plan indeed! Especially with the illogical hunter.

5) Wolves and Cobblers- should kill the Lovers and Glorfindel and the Hunter, and perhaps leave the Seer completely alive? Should the Wolves kill the Cobblers? I realize the Cobblers can eat up the lynches late in the game and clinch the win with their votes, but I'd say these Cobblers are going to be particularly blind as they don't even know the score and whether or not it is possible to gain a sacrificial victory. They might be just as useful on the Dead Thread trying to gain real info there and giving the suspected living Wolves extra votes. Not to mention they could do Seer impersonations to keep between-thread info from being uncontested.

The wolves need the lovers and the ranger like now. I think it depends on the wolves - and how this game starts on them - whether they think they should pick the seer or whether the seer is less dangerous in here (if the seer never dies, no one's going to learn anything from anyone for sure - and the cobblers & wolves can run amok here). The cobblers might actully be more dangerous in Mandos than in here, at least early on - here they know nothing but in Mandos they might have better chances of getting the picture.

On tp's latter suggestions I think they were mostly overtly optimistic (not taking into consideration some obvious problems or rule-limtations), or then I just didn't understand some of them.

But this is a very good one everyone should at least think about:

Originally Posted by phantom

the Dead can indirectly pass information to the Living. The rules say that the narration will reveal each person who receives the extra Dead vote that day. What if the Dead agreed to always give their extra vote to whichever person the Seer dreamed to be innocent!! If we agree to this, then we could pass every innocent dream from the dead Seer to the Living

So if and when the goodies take control of Mandos, that indeed is a way to send a message of a known innocent - and the ranger can play nice "cat and mouse" with the wolves if they think they can pick the known innocent out during the Night.