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				 I think CoH is cheapened if it is merely perceived as a part of a greater story | 
	
 
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	Obviously? I'm not entirely convinced about that.Quote: 
	
		| Quote: Originally Posted by Nerwen
 Which neatly settles the question of whether the author ever meant it to be a stand-alone work, doesn't it? Obviously, he didn't.
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				 We think we know better because we have the Silmarillion, which says that Eru created the world, etc, but once again I'm not certain CoH should be read through that prism. | 
	
 
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		| Originally Posted by tumhalad Now, I think there are better readings and worse readings, by no means are all "equal". In this case, to completely diss the novel's major thematic, emotive energy in favour of a kind of reading that at best seeks to mitigate or at worst ignore the utter defeat and nihilism of it is, I think, fatuous.
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 Good enough for you?
Incidentally, before you get angry– please recall that I stated repeatedly on your "CoH film" thread that I 
was not interested in starting up this debate again. I'm not– I got bored with it long ago.  I replied to you only because you specifically, not to mention rather aggressively, demanded a reply.  Now you've had it.  Enough.
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tum's self-edit.