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Old 10-11-2010, 02:14 PM   #305
skip spence
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Also wrote this before DL:

First, a few additional comments on Greenie's case against me now that I've time to reply to them (I wrote this ahead of the DL), and then, well maybe simultaneously, I believe I'll return the favour and have a look at her too.

First of all, she suspects me for jumping on the bandwagon to lynch Shasta. I gave him his forth vote after having expressed the intention to vote for him much earlier. It seemed logical at the time.

But isn't it ironic, in the light of this accusation, that Green's record that Day is almost identical to mine?

First she singles Shasta out as her main suspect:
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Originally Posted by Green
Shasta - Don't trust him at the moment. I'd love to hear from him before having to vote, but since he has already voted I doubt he'll return. I feel worse about him than about anyone else in the village, but then again I'm doubtful whether - just in principle - it is possible to catch a psychic Shastawolf on Day 1... In short, my head is exploding with scenarios and I'm sure it's unhealthy.
Then she votes him shortly after I did:
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Originally Posted by Green
Not that it makes any difference now..

++ Shasta

Because of what I've said before, don't have the time or energy to repeat everything.
Then comes an accusation that I stirred up suspicion and left others to do the dirty work on Day 2, after I asked Lottie why she suspected Shasta in the first place (which I still find very odd) and raised the possibility that Pitch was a dreamed of wolf.
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Originally Posted by Green
He "leaves things to discuss" while he's away. His demand of explanation from Lottie is reasonable, though could also be read as a wolf sniffing an easy lynch-candidate. Especially when coupled with the second "thing to discuss", Pitchie as Shasta's possible dream. Now there's nothing wrong with that, but what worries me is the same I pointed out in his Day 1 post of impressions: he is careful not to say he himself suspects somebody, but rather encourages others to
Well, first of all, when I wrote that post it was early Day 2 and bedtime, and as I work I knew I'd have no chance of participating again until the last couple of hours of that Day. What can I do but leave it for others to carry on?

Secondly, you agree that asking Lottie for an explanation was reasonable. And that Pitch potentially looked as a dreamed of wolf was universally agreed upon (even Pitch himself knew it looked bad for him, poor thing!) though I may have been one of the first to raise the possibility...

Now this strikes me as plain silly:
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Originally Posted by Green
I'm wondering how come Legate is only beginning to look bad - considering that Skip found him bad enough yesterDay to vote over someone he himself had pointed out as a possible Seer-dreamed wolf.
I said he is beginning to look bad. That doesn't mean that he, at that very moment, just started to look bad, and that he didn't minutes earlier. Like, if you observe a cyclist on the Tour de France, you don't describe him as beginning to look tired, the first instance he grins badly. You say that when he's been showing signs of weariness for some time, perhaps losing a few metres on the peloton, apparently struggling to keep up... I was perfectly aware that I voted Legate the previous Day, and you, Miss Green, are splitting hairs!

Then she blames me for finding Inzil suspicious...
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Originally Posted by skip
Have had a quick look at Inziladun too. Funny thing, when looking through his posts there's precious little that seem worth quoting. He, if anyone, has been threading very carefully. Not posting much, sort of poking around, now and then raising slight concerns about people without pressing it too hard..
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Originally Posted by Green
This strikes me as slightly odd. To me it looks more or less like he's describing the usual Inzil, who's always careful and slippery regardless of role, and again, he's raising slight doubts without openly suspecting. Talking about treading carefully...
Once again a case of double standards... Remember, she herself accuses me of the very same thing that I accuse Inzil of, that is: raising slight doubts without openly accusing (though I'd argue that Inzil have been more careful than I have and making subtle distractions as well)...

And it's once again ironic how she first chides me for joining in on the bandwagon to lynch innocent Shasta (she did the same) and then for not joining the bandwagon to lynch innocent Pitch (once again, she did the same, voting me and not Pitch). Takes one to know one, one might argue...

I also find it odd that I apparently is the only one Greenie suspects based on this very brittle case, and with the personal knowledge that I am in fact innocent. Odd if we imagine a small and cute and honest Green, trying to save the hunters from this horrid dungeon. More understandable if she's a wolf smelling blood, becoming bolder, more aggressive and going for an easy lynch to finish us off once and for all. Then again, since I suspected Legate (and ended up voting him, arguably causing his death) and he turned out innocent, her aggressive attack on me could look unnecessary. Then again, she could have felt that Lottie risked getting lynched, and that attacking me was a good way of avoiding that. That makes a lot of sense actually: Lottie and Green as fellows.

In that 'it could be this it could be that or it could be something in between' post of hers, she actually defended Lottie in a subtle way, especially in light of Shasta's now proved innocence.

Notice how she downplays the a) scenario: a lupine Lottie attacking innocent Shasta...

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a) Lottiewolf relying on "gut-feeling" to justify easy suspicion on an innocent Shasta. I don't find this that likely, though it's definitely a possibility. Lottie's tone is quite genuine, and if she's a wolf I'd be more inclined to think Shasta is one too (= option d)).
b) Innocent Lottie getting her famous gut-feeling on a Shastawolf. Definitely possible.
c) Innocent Lottie getting her famous gut-feeling on an innocent Shasta. Definitely possible.
d) Lottiewolf and Shastawolf mess around with a neat Day 1 wolf-on-wolf show. Certainly wouldn't put it past the two of them.
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