[Nogrod]

Reading the few first posts and stalling majesticallly...

Originally Posted by Lottie on her Tum copying

“Okay. I think it's likely that she's a wolf. In fact, I think it's probable. If you saw no points in my post, I don't know what to tell you. I wrote down what I saw, and made points for and (more often) against her innocence.”

Sorry, you just describe what she is saying, you’re giving up 0,5% your own… You just say: she said x did Y and didn't appreciate it... Really. Some real effort, please.

Originally Posted by Lottie

“I was going to vote for one of the people I'd thought rationally about, rather than a last-minute "hey, she exists - let's kill her" type bandwagon.”

Why didn’t you protest or let us know of that yesterday? Did you just come up with it? (Nicely done). Why didn't you say - if you were so sure - "hey guys, here's the case against Nogrod I have and you should believe it too after I presented it to you!" Let me tell you why you didn't... You didn't have it as it was all thin air; and anyway you would have tried to build it, it would have been plain false... It's hard to be a wolf who wishes to take the forefront. It actually takes more effort... So back to the boot camp Lottie, try even. I'd hate to die to someone saying "I don't like him" (as you said - nevertheless how you protest, but you said that. And that's the best argument you've made thus far)

So sad that kind of arguments seem to work.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

“Isn't this paragraph self-contradictory? By your own logic, Nog, the wolves had no reason to be active in the voting.”

No. Or yes. I mean they had no urge to save their friends aka. they could be relaxed – that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t drive the voting in the way they wished – like a host of you voting to let me live and thus making me look you guys more nicely. And it works, even if I try to fight against my urge to think positively of you who kept me alive… That is such a sham Nerwen I really am starting to suspect more again... "Needs to be" is a different thing from "wants to be". You can be when you don't have to... With no problem around the lynching (no mates in the fray) you can either drive for someone you'd like to see lynched - or someone whose lynch would benefit you - or defending one whom might benefit you... or whatever, maybe just toss the coin? And really, you're grasping at straws here - and wasting my time as well, as I see now.

I never specified who were the suspicious ones and who were the innocents - because I JUST DON'T FREAKIN' KNOW. You might, or why else do you require me that without giving the answers yourself?

As I said, anyone of you, but not all.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

“And who else was even talking about him being the Cursed yesterDay? I don't say it was never mentioned in passing, but I thought the main question was whether he might be a wolf.”

That’s what you say… Maybe it was not suitable for the wolves to talk about it? Maybe it was even bad for them to talk about it? Blah... You love to keep that interpretation of the reality, but why? I'm not answering that, you should.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

“I hereby dub this type of reasoning "Nogrod's Fork".

I do hereby dub this type of argument as the "Australian stab the sleeping"-argument. It’s closer to the truth as your dubbing – with better grounding - that being more or less in my case.

How does that sound? I did manage to get online… Sorry to ruin your plan. And really that's nasty. Are you, with your mate Lottie, that desperate of doing away with me? I'd think you'd have other problems as everyone can't be wolves - or do you just think I'm the easy target as I'm not around to talk for myself? You two really took your chances after you heard I was going to be away, didn't you? Hadn't you anything better to do?

Am I hitting the right targets? Does it hurt that much?

Originally Posted by Lalaith

Nogrod, lots of your reasoning this morning seems sensible to me (result of a good night’s sleep?) but this I would query quite strenuously:
Quote:

Actually , unless I have really misunderstood your point, it is not general knowledge that any of them were innocents except Eonwe. How do YOU know? It is a shame that you're not around to answer this...

Well I know because I know my role, and I said twice that I do not expect you to trust it – but after my death. Sorry if two times were not enough.

And there were no others than us three! (Beigei and Eonwë on D1 and Eonwë & me on D2). All innocents – I know that. You know that only up to me. Get used to it.


Oh my, once again, hey Nerwen, get real! English is not my first language, but you should not be allowed to put just anything into my mouth because of that! Really. I’m looking at the nearest object to throw at you right now.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

“Well, maybe it's a language problem, again. But he does sound like he's saying it was a common consensus yesterDay that Steve was a likely Cursed, and it certainly wasn't.”

What? If you have complaints to how your mates perform during the Day when you can't advice them, keep it to them at Nights. Show me someone who knew Steve's role except Steve himself? You knew it? "He certainly wasn't" like you knew it yesterDay, or what are you trying to say? So just stop it then. It was an open thing and we all had our different thoughts about the probability of it, but you can't claim - but in hindsight - to have been 100% sure either way. And I never claimed it was either way, but I gave quite a long arguments why it could be one way or another.

Where were your arguments yesterDay? I mean no hindsight but your arguments before you knew afterwards how it was?

And this then...

Originally Posted by Nerwen

[Nogrod's Fork sure has a lot of tines, hasn't it?

Now this sure gets out of the bounds of ridiculousness itself... Let me see how you put into one shortish post most of the people and why you suspect them! Just let me see you try it without breaking the rule you just laid on my post! And don't use more than twenty minutes into it.
(so do not suspect different people for different reasons there – and be definitive with all your suspicions)

– heh, be a wolf.,. No one else can be that secure and straightforwards - and logical.

Okay. Sorry. I'm really sorry. But reading this thread feels like walking an ever raising climb, rocks falling down to you every minute, and the guys around you whom you thought to climb the mountain trying to drag you down... or just perceiving those guys and none else.

Okay, I’ts getting late and I’m getting more and more annoyed with this… Maybe I just go to sleep and let you do this yourselves - anyway, if you lynch me I can get away from this nauseating problematics of trying to find a net-connection every-other day. You clearly have the wolves - or very ill-reasoned innocents to call the shots. At least the early shots of the Day.

I’m going to have a cigarette and then maybe I’ll read the rest, or then will not bother. I sadly started by way of commenting on every issue that looked like it was worth of commenting - and now I'm just out of any touch to anything that has happened... Okay, I need to try and read the Day through, but I'm not sure I'm able to give any decent comments after that...

But I'll try.