[A Little Green]

I went through Lalaith's posts. I'm not going to quote or even mention them all here, and most of my quotes are not entire posts - I'm just commenting on stuff that seemed noteworthy in one way or another. I picked her because I had no opinion whatsoever on her and don't believe many others do, either. Besides, her avatar is so cute that I keep forgetting that she can be a wolf just as well as anybody else.

Day 1

Originally Posted by Lalaith

Some interesting discussions here - I think the stuff about how to deal with the true/false seers is very helpful. Lots of people have actually been genuinely helpful today, and normally I go with that as a sign of innocence...unfortunately, I think that in this game, everyone, guilties and innocents alike, is trying to make sense of things so that is no longer a helpful guideline on how to vote.

Well, I am, like a few others here, forced to vote early due to European timezones. It's a baffling choice even by first day standards, and all I've got to go on is a hunch that the following vote could throw up something useful:
++BOROMIR

The fourth vote of the Day, and the only one for Boro. As she voted so early it's hard to condemn the vote this way or that. (Having voted even earlier on Day 1, I can totally relate to the lack of proper material.) I disagree with her on helpfulness=innocence, but that has nothing to do with her innocence/guilt so I won't dwell on that. Moving on...

Day 2

Interesting ideas about Boro. I missed the Mira/Keeper comment that phantom picked up on, it's ambiguous to say the least. As for my thoughts - reading over the thread yesterday, I thought I had picked up on Hunter hints from Boro.

In hindsight, it is of course good Seer tactics to pretend to be a Hunter. But would any of the above-named, if indeed they were wolves, seemingly being threatened, have risked a Boro kill?

A good point about possible Hunter hints from Boro, and unless I'm mistaken she was the first to bring that up.

Greenie, like you I was unimpressed by the BG voters - to me she was newbie-ish, not wolf-ish - but but there were seven of them and they can't all be wolves. It was an easy first-day option for innocents and wolves alike, I guess. The Eonwe bandwaggon I have more sympathy with, as there was some reasoning behind it.

For some reason this made me think of a really smooth wolf, disagreeing with the bandwagon but not too aggressively (so as not to rub anyone the wrong way). Hmm. Really I might be just paranoid though, there's nothing legitimately wrong with the quote.

Reading through the thread, I am finding Mac, Wilwa, Loslote and Nogrod (before it got too late, that is...!) looking helpful.
I am finding Keeper/Mira, Sally and autume rather strange.

Apart from all the Boro stuff, this is the first time she posts opinions on other players.

Oh, I just wanted to remind everyone, in case they had forgotten, that today the Mythomane comes into play. Potentially. Although given the number of gifteds in this game, the chance of him/her picking something that makes a difference is pretty high.

This makes me think better of her, because I'm not convinced a wolf would want to draw attention to the Mytho. If the Mytho picks a wolf, the pack certainly doesn't want the village to be reminded of that any more than is unavoidable; and if s/he picks a Gifted, I don't see a wolf wanting to parade that too much, either.

Originally Posted by Lalaith

Sally, I know what you mean about feeling useless though. You actually worry me less today than you did yesterday.

Who has posted so far today? It seems like the focus has been on just a handful of players....it feels like a smaller village than it should be.

Also, the MM. I don't want to sound like I've got a bee in my bonnet but you do all realise there is just under a one in 4.5 chance that we now have five wolves?

She keeps making sense and being nice. The last paragraph, about the Mytho, is something that left me a bit baffled. There was some confusion I believe about when the Mytho changes roles, but it didn't happen until the next Night. So I'm thinking - who, in the village, is most likely to dwell on the Mytho turning into a wolf? (Answer: the wolves.) A Lalwolf might have paid a lot of thought to the Mytho turning to a wolf (counting the probability and all such) and then thinking like "well, why not post it?" I'm not sure I'm making sense now though.

A lot of rowing going on, some of which is kind of hard to follow.
Well, I need to make up my mind soon as it is bedtime over here.
So first,....Our Big Beasts. I am actually not inclined to vote for any of these at present. Probably they are just fighting for the hell of it and most of them innocent anyway. Also I believe that the wolves and gifteds will sort out the high profile players – they will surely kill/dream of them at night leaving us with fewer suspects. My thoughts on them anyway…
Rikae…she does love a scrap, guilty or innocent she will never let things lie. I have never been able to tell the difference between a good or bad Rikae and this time is no different.
Nog – lots of talk and noise. Quite a lot of it makes sense but some of it is a bit more bonkers than usual. Why? Could be any number of reasons.
Phantom – definitely touchier than usual but he hasn’t played for a long time.

Next – some of the others who are coming under suspicion/attracting attention today
Mac – now I may be rusty but I don’t get where all this Mac suspicion is coming from. It could be because I was thinking along the same lines about Boro as he was, but he seems quite sensible to me.
Eonwe – now there is more cause for concern here. I agree Boro’s words are open to interpretation. But Eonwe also did something rather unhelpful today which might just have been careless but still…with not much to go on I know but with an early vote needed from me, he is a likely candidate.
Tum – Again, someone who may get my vote. Not happy about her(?) at all. Yesterday she seemed ‘off’, she was arguably the dodgiest of the BG votes and Zil’s case against her today was pretty good.
Nerwen – The Hades thing – well, maybe. If she’s Hades herself, she’s very bold. If she’s Persephone, all she would have needed to do is watch and read, so there would have been no need for such rashness. She’s definitely active and ready to get involved in all the rows.
And the rest…
Nienna – Now I didn’t much like her post today. She covered just a few players, only to say that she didn’t have a feel for half of them. Seemed overly desultory and posting-for-the-sake-of-it, although she might have just been RL busy.
Mira/Keeper – the whole Boro interchange yesterday was weird and I am not happy about her in general.
Shasta – comes, makes a few reasonably sensible statements and goes off again.
Folwren, see above, much like Shasta. Could be anything. I know some of you have said the same about me so it’s only fair to reserve judgment.
Lottie – I don’t know, I thought she seemed thoughtful yesterday but odd today. Reserving judgment
Zil – I liked the case he made against Tum, and he seemed to be unhappy about Nienna’s post as was I. as with Mac, I tend to trust those who seem to be thinking the way I do, so…
Sally – like I said, I thought she was acting oddly yesterday but I feel better about her today
Greenie – active, thoughtful and clearly trying to be fair – so I trust her for now
Wilwa – not seen her around as much today but seemed helpful yesterday so I’m quite at ease with her
Kath – her voice was ever soft, gentle and low, an excellent thing in woman, I suppose, but not necessarily during WW. Come on girl, check in and lets hear what you’ve got to say…

So, if I may over-simplify a bit, she's saying approximately the following:
Positive: Mac, Inzil, Sally (was suspicious before but better now), Greenie, Wilwa
Negative: Eonwe, autume, Nienna, Mira
Has no clear opinion on the alignment of: Rikae, Nog, Phantom, Nerwen, Shasta, Folwren, Lottie, Kath

Oh curse these early votes. So difficult to decide.
Well as things stand it is between Eonwe and autume for me. Now Tum hasn't even been on today to defend herself, so it seems harsh to vote for her...I'm going to go for Eonwe. As I said before, there's a reasonable Boro-based case against him and the something else too.

++ Eonwe

And here is her Day 2 vote. I'm debating now if it's the genuine tone or the plain easiness of the vote that I should pay more attention to. Her reference to "something else" (or " But Eonwe also did something rather unhelpful today which might just have been careless but still…" in her list post) makes me think slightly better of her, as I can't see what a wolf would gain in saying that, or how a wolf would come up with such in the first place.

Day 3

Eonwe – well, he was telling the truth after all, he was the Ord. I think the most likely thing is that Boro was a false seer and dreamt of Eonwe as a wolf. It occurred to me today that the -4 might have been a reference to four wolves. If this is the case then it’s very good news for us because we would now have two True Seers rather than two False.

My other main voting possibility of yesterday - Tum – looking over Loslote’s analysis and my own reading of her posts, she seems to be playing the ingénue. Well it might be playing - or it might be for real. Zil’s analysis of her yesterDay was more damning that Los’ analysis today (which made her look more like a for-real ingenue.) And on the subject of Los - I agree with Nog, why post such a long analysis without drawing any concrete conclusions? It looks a bit dodgy to me.
One thing that did play well with me, was Tum’s “here I am, what do you want to know” late last Day. It seemed a fairly candid, innocentish thing to do.
I think I am fairly sure about one thing - Tum, Mac and Los are unlikely to be wolves together.
And further development on this theme - both Mac and Nogs seem to have stopped going for each other and both turned their sights on Lottie. I need to look at her more closely myself, I don’t think we’ve ever played together so I don’t have a real feel for her at all.

Then, one of the major post-bedtime events of yesterday was this last minute rallying of votes for someone other than Eonwe. Now I can see the purpose of doing that but that purpose is rather defeated if the voting is orchestrated in the way Mac seemed to be doing. And the talk of Nienna as “easy victim” needs explaining.

Nogrod, lots of your reasoning this morning seems sensible to me (result of a good night’s sleep?) but this I would query quite strenuously:

Actually , unless I have really misunderstood your point, it is not general knowledge that any of them were innocents except Eonwe. How do YOU know? It is a shame that you're not around to answer this...

Her only post this far toDay. She makes some shrewd points that are made from a very innocentish point of view. Just stuff that I'm not sure a wolf would have thought of.

So that was it. Conclusions? I'm fairly okay with Lal for now, though I haven't entirely abandoned the possibility of her being a very smooth wolf, either. The thing is, my logic can find nothing wrong with her. The Mytho thing was pretty much the only even half-legitimate point that could be made against her from what I read - and even that is rather questionable. Mostly the bad feelings I got from her posts were due to her being too understanding and nice and not rubbing anyone the wrong way, but as far as I recall she's always nice, so that's hardly a legitimate argument, either. Both her votes were relatively easy (the second one especially), but an early vote almost always is. She's generally consistent and sharp and makes points from an innocent viewpoint. So, in short - if she's a wolf, I'm almost tempted to say she deserves to win.


EDIT: x-ed with Nienna, Phantom and Lalaith herself