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Old 12-31-2009, 02:49 PM   #624
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Originally Posted by Dakêsîntrah View Post
This still does not mean a spirit neither living or dead can be hindered with an enchanted sword versus Gandalf - still in the fleshly form of Man.
There is an interesting quote from The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien concerning the 'real' power of the Nazgûl:

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[The Nazgûl's] peril is almost entirely due to the unreasoning fear which they inspire (like ghosts)....They have no great physical power against the fearless.
Letter #210 (bolding added)

I don't think the same could be said of Gandalf.

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If Olórin is an emanation of Eru, I cannot agree with "he happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time." I see God's Will as all Sovereign. Whatever happens, whether tragedy or evil triumphs, it is still the Will of the God.
The event was apparently not forseen by Gandalf, making his sacrifice distinct from that of Christ.

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For all [Gandalf] could know at that moment he was the only person who could direct the resistance to Sauron successfully, and all his mission was vain. He was handing over to the Authority that ordained the Rules, and giving up personal hope of success.
Letter #156 (bolding added)

Whether the fall of Gandalf was arranged by a Higher Authority is another matter. But Gandalf himself believed at the time that he had failed.
When Christ looked up and said 'It is finished', did He think his task had been unsuccessful?
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