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Orual · 11-29-2002, 11:29 AM

Well, I think what my friend was getting at was that he didn't find Arwen very, I don't know how to say this, motivated? I brought up the same points later on that you did, Kalimac, but he argued "I know, but we're talking about the FATE OF THE WORLD. The war was more important than what her father wanted her to do." He really respects Eowyn for doing that--going into battle against Theoden's wishes--but I see it differently. Granted, Eowyn going into battle turned out to be for the best, but nonetheless she broke Theoden's trust and left the people that she had promised to lead while their king was at war. I respect Arwen more for her patience and obedience, not to mention her unconditional love for Aragorn. I think that a lot of people see Arwen as a weak character because of that love; they say "oh, she's willing to give up her immortality for this man, she must also be willing to submit herself to him" or whatever. I don't know what their reasoning is, but I've heard it argued. (Not well, but c'est la vie.) I don't see it that way at all.

LoL, Bill! Hope it wasn't too big a chunk of apple! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] Yeah, I know Xena's not exactly the perfect parallel for Luthien, but she's the best-known female warrior-type that we could think of...

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11-29-2002, 11:29 AM	#5
Orual Speaker of the Dead Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Superbia Posts: 868	Well, I think what my friend was getting at was that he didn't find Arwen very, I don't know how to say this, motivated? I brought up the same points later on that you did, Kalimac, but he argued "I know, but we're talking about the FATE OF THE WORLD. The war was more important than what her father wanted her to do." He really respects Eowyn for doing that--going into battle against Theoden's wishes--but I see it differently. Granted, Eowyn going into battle turned out to be for the best, but nonetheless she broke Theoden's trust and left the people that she had promised to lead while their king was at war. I respect Arwen more for her patience and obedience, not to mention her unconditional love for Aragorn. I think that a lot of people see Arwen as a weak character because of that love; they say "oh, she's willing to give up her immortality for this man, she must also be willing to submit herself to him" or whatever. I don't know what their reasoning is, but I've heard it argued. (Not well, but c'est la vie.) I don't see it that way at all. LoL, Bill! Hope it wasn't too big a chunk of apple! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] Yeah, I know Xena's not exactly the perfect parallel for Luthien, but she's the best-known female warrior-type that we could think of... ~~Orual~~ __________________ "Oh, my god! I care so little, I almost passed out!" --Dr. Cox, "Scrubs"