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Old 07-09-2009, 07:20 PM   #8
Mnemosyne
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Originally Posted by Nogrod View Post
Or maybe we should go beyond Valar with this...

I've kind of always thought that was something Ilúvatar itself looked after - or the great metaphysical forces inherent in the created world were looking after. Like "good will prevail in the end", no matter what. And think of Gandalf's resurrection and return as even more powerful Maia to help the good side... I sense the hand or thought of Ilùvatar there to be sure.

And surely this fresh wind from the sea and the first rays of the sun after such darkness can be - and even should be - read symbolically as well, at the same time.
I'd be with you if this weren't so clearly associated with the elements: Manwe (who, granted, is very closely associated with Iluvatar), and especially Ulmo, with this being a sea breeze and all.

Iluvatar's intervention seems to be limited to the things that even the Valar had no control over: the resurrection of Gandalf, Bilbo's finding the Ring, possibly even the fall of Gollum. Those are all too random to be in the provenance of any Vala; wind and sea not only fit in with their domain but fit into the domains of two specific Valar who would be likely to intervene (albeit very, very subtly) in such a situation.
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