[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Brinn

Hi guys-

I just want to say sorry for my playing toDay, I really feel awful about it. I was frustrated with Rune and got rather heated with some of his comments (probably more than I should've...I still blame RL stress). I wasn't expecting everyone else to suddenly jump on my back, then just as quickly back off. And now I feel like I've sunk to a new level with my frustration and "I'm sorry" posts. I feel like an awful baddie using my emotions to manipulate innocents (I worry they'll all later hate me for it), even though my frustrations were completely honest. Actually, almost everything I said toDay was fairly honest...even the whole thing about Frodo. At one point I even forgot I was evil and Nerwen was too. On Day One I often say what I'd exactly say if I were innocent, and I always get suspected for it. How odd is that.

Alright, enough with that and onto business. I actually don't want to seek out Frodo, contrary to everyone's beliefs. Sure it'd be nice to have an extra wolf, but that's not the priority. Our priority should be finding the seer and avoiding the ranger. What do you guys think?

I have plenty of time to sleep and relax the next three Days, so my head should be clearer soon.

Okay, I'm really off to my bath this time.

Later,
Brinn

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Brinn, you don't need to apologize. The way Rune jumped on you was completely unfair and irrational! Fea and Gollum's votes likewise. Sure, you actually are evil, but it's the principle of the thing.

I thought as much. If you're referring to what I think you are, I was just trying to set things up so we can sacrifice you if need be. I wouldn't worry too much, though. A lot of people acted suspiciously.

Absolutely... but do you have any ideas? All too many people dropped Seer-hints. See Beregond at #49, Mirandir at #51, Fea at #80, Shasta at everywhere. Then, too, Rikae said, out of the blue, that she found me suspicious (#94)... and it could always be Rune, I suppose.

I think our best bets are Beregond and Fea, though.

~Nerwraith.

Originally Posted by Brinn

I'm glad you see it that way because that's exactly how I felt. It's one thing to be suspected for a vote or unreasonable suspicion...but I felt they had no grounds to suspect me! I'd say it's quite wolfish behaviour if I didn't know they were innocent. I'm glad I didn't end up a Fenris Wolf for such silly reasons. It's a quite frustrating situation to be in when you do happen to be guilty...because suddenly they seem justified for suspecting you.

I'm no longer sure what I'm referring to... I think it partly had to do with the argument I had with Rikae. But yes, I have no problem with you sacrificing me if need be. And the more scuffles we have with one another, the less likely we'll be connected as wolves.

At this point, I'm pretty doubtful I'll make it all the way to the end, but we'll see...after all, I doubted myself in Fea's game too. But if I ever look doomed to be lynched with no chance of being saved and the seer hasn't been revealed yet, I think I might just claim seership just so I can draw out the real seer for my big finish. Maybe I'll even drop seer hints from now on, just in case.

The question is, would the real seer have dropped seer hints already? As far as I know, there has been no dream yet...Kitanna never indicated there would be.

I'm about ready to collapse from exhaustion now, but I'll look at everyone more closely tomorrow. I'm curious to see what name the informer gives us...

Night,
Brinn

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I'll ask her. The only reason for the Seer to leave hints in that case is as insurance against getting lynched later on– and those kind are likely to be pretty subtle. Besides, many people don't bother. I don't we'd be able to pick the Seer this early, then.

So, do we try and get Frodo instead? Or frame someone? Or just dispose of a dangerous player?

Originally Posted by Nerwen

My fellow wraiths–

I got the following message from Kit:

So it is him! I thought it had to be, what with that weird hint plus his unwillingness to suspect anyone, but it's nice to know.

Anyway... back to looking for Seer-hints. As I said, I think Beregond or Fea are the mostly likely.

~Nerwraith.

Originally Posted by Brinn

Okay, I never expected a Night 1 dream...it was never indicated. The good news about that is maybe the innocents were thinking the same thing and won't look for a first Night dream...at least until someone asks the mod.

Yes, our cobbler must be Mac. Because if it wasn't him, the cobbler would be awfully foolish to suggest his name after he gave that hint. Which makes me glad I helped save him.

Okay, I'll take a look at everyone for possible kills.

-Brinn

Originally Posted by Brinn

Going through the list:

Menel: Was a seer fairly recently and he didn't give much in way of hints. However I think he looks rather ordoish now and I don't want to kill him because as I said, he dies too early.

Greenie: She's comments a couple times about her unfamiliarity with the RB role...which makes me wonder if she's just pretending and actually has that role. But then again there was a lot of Frodo discussion going on. (Btw, I doubt Frodo would intentionally hint at us, but he could slip)

Durelin: Spent the first couple posts playing a ranger. Someone (I think it might've been Rikae) tried to almost hint at her possibly being gifted...which I think was meant to throw us off. But I know Dury was playing in-character, so it has little meaning. She'd be a safe kill.

Fea: I really hope she's not the seer for the sake of us all, because if she is she's either dreamt of me or will soon. I don't think she's been ordo for awhile, so I hope she is. Either way, it's too dangerous to kill her now as her death could point to both Sally and me.

Shasta: Gives a lot of seer hints, but that's his role. Wasn't very active toDay besides his banter posts. I want to wait and see more of his participation level in the coming Days. I know Shasta would love the role of seer and I think he'd be more involved if he were one.

Rune: Oh, I'd love to kill him, but that'd certainly look bad on my part. He's always suspicious of me no matter what and most likely will continue to be, so it's hard to tell if there's actually any seer basis in there. While I'd like to see him killed at some point, tonNight is not the Night.

Lommy: I don't think she looks particularly seerish, but I also wouldn't mind killing her. She's an easy kill, and I doubt the ranger is protecting her.

Nogrod: He's the one to suggest that Frodo reveal...it wouldn't surprise me if that role turned out to be him! But I just can't see him get killed toNight at least...I don't think Noggie will forgive me if I did.

Lariren: Nothing about her stands out as seerish. Could be a safe kill, though.

Aganzir: Based on her list, she doesn't look like a seer who's dreamt of someone...

Mira: While a new player could easily be a wolf, I have my doubts that a mod would assign them with such an important role as seer. Anyways, I'd rather not kill her so early due to newbie status.

Beregond: see Mira

Mac: seems to be our cobbler, so obviously no

Legate: Was the quickest to catch onto Mac. Could be our seer, though I wonder how much his death would condemn Mac.

Rikae: These quotes make me wonder:

She could either be a seer who dreamt of Nerwen, or is just bluffing. I only worry that if it's the latter, it could incriminate Nerwen and we still won't have our seer. And I wonder, are her hints too obvious?

Out of everyone, I could kill:

Greenie
Lommy
Lari
Legate
Rikae

Another question is, who is the ranger most likely to protect? Would they try to seek out a possible seer, or just choose someone who might be a safe kill?

-Brinn

Originally Posted by Sally

Sorry, late night and then I had to work this morning/afternoon. Here now and will give you some thoughts post haste.

Stealing Brinn's list and just replacing her thoughts with mine. Yes, I am a terrible person.

Menel: I don't want to kill him off too early either, and while he didn't give hints in the last game it could have just been because he wasn't able to participate much. Just saying.

Greenie: Very possible that she's Frodo, but I'm thinking right now that she's innocent. Probably a fairly good no-trace kill though.

Durelin: As Brinn said, a safe kill. I'd probably be okay with this, and all the better if she randomly turns out to be the ring bearer.

Fea: Yeeeeah, we need her gone. But you're right, Brinn, if we kill her now it'd make us both look bad. Then again, it would almost be okay because what are the odds that we would be that obvious? Blah. I don't want to risk it, at least not toNight.

Shasta: I think he's safe to keep around, at least for the moment. Seer? I don't think so. Ringbearer? Hmmmm, actually I think it's possible, because he's talked but remained very vague and noncommital. Perhaps he's trying to make sure we don't notice him?

Rune: I think we need to get rid of him, given the effect that he had on our lovely Miss Brinn yesterDay, but I think to do it toNight is a mistake.

Lommy: I'd actually like to keep her around. I know she's a safe kill, but at the same time I think she's fairly harmless for right now. I'd at least like to give her another Day or two, but if you guys want to kill her I might go along with it.

Nogrod: I can't bring myself to kill him after last game, at least not the first Night. It'd just be too stinking cruel.

Lariren: Blah, why not? Got nothing either way on her, but at the same time she's still fairly new so it seems a bit cheap to kill her off so soon.

Aganzir: I think she's fairly harmless, but I would be okay with getting rid of her because I know she'll be able to swing things the way she needs them to be and if she does turn out to be the seer we'll be in trouble. For now, though, I'd like to keep her around.

Mira: I'm not killing a newbie the first Night. Period.

Beregond: Same as Mira.

Mac: Heh, he does seem a tad cobblery, doesn't he?

Legate: Hmmmm, well if Mac's our cobbler I don't think Legate's a good kill choice. I mean if worse comes to worse better to kill someone that would implicate Mac than to kill someone that would implicate us, but it's even better to avoid a loss altogether.

Rikae: On Nerwen like jam on toast. (Which sounds good by the way. Perhaps I'll have some in a bit.) Like Brinn, I don't know if it's just vibes or if she's really the seer, but either way it creeps me out.


I'd like to kill, in no REAL particular order:
Greenie
Durie
Legate (meh)

Other choices:
Rikae
Fea
Shasta
Lommie

Not wanting them dead, yet:
Everyone else


Up to you lovely ladies. I'll be around for the rest of the Night, so let me know your thoughts. Oh, and who wants to send in the kill? Anyway, that jam and toast (well, bagels, because that's all I have) sounds legitimitely tasty, so I'm going to go have some. See you ladies in a bit!

~~Sally~~

Originally Posted by Brinn

Some more thoughts...

Greenie: Could make for a good safe kill, but part of me feels it's almost too safe.

Durelin: Another safe kill. Though, if the ranger chooses protect a possible safe kill, I think she could be a likely candidate.

Shasta: Hmm...he wouldn't be bad for a kill. Though I don't think he's the seer. At least, I doubt he'll be protected.

Lommy: I could still go for her. I always worry that she could be gifted (same with Agan though she's been gifted a lot lately), then I'm always wrong. I'm just waiting for the day when she finally does turn up gifted.

Legate: He could possibly be gifted, but I'm not terribly worried just yet. I'd rather not make our possible cobbler look bad so early, so if we decide to kill him, let's not do it toNight.

Rikae: Gah, I'm getting seer vibes from her which probably means she isn't one...because I'm horrible at spotting one. I want to say why would a seer be so obvious, but Boro was quite the obvious seer and he still got away with it. I just wonder what Rikae would've answered if someone did ask why she thought Nerwen suspicious. If she's the seer, there's a good chance she could dream of me toNight. The problem is if we kill her, her death could point to Nerwen and to a lesser extent, me. Hmm...I say we leave her alive at least one more Day and see if she leaves anymore traces of being the possible seer. Killing her toNight just seems awful risky. Also Nerwen, maybe you should ask why she suspects you, because I'd like to know how she answers...

My two top choices for kills are Lommy and Shasta. Lommy would more likely be a seer, though I don't know how likely that is. Though the more I think about it, the more I want to kill Lommy...I don't even have a real reason why. After all, she has been easy to manipulate in the past, but then again I think she'll be much more wary after I fooled her so badly.

My other two options are Greenie and Durelin. Those feel like a lot safer kills and it might be more likely the ranger protects them, though it's hard to say for sure.

Btw, I can submit the kill if you like. I'll be here majority of the evening; I've been spending my day recovering from an exhausting week.

-Brinn

Originally Posted by Sally

Yeah, my top two of your picks would probably be Durie and Shasta, followed by the Finn sisters. I think it's very possible that Durie could be gifted, just because she's not played in a while and Kit may have given her one of the special roles. Shasta would be a good semi-random kill, and I'm not sure the ranger would think to protect Durie because I keep completely forgetting she's in the game. Never know. Of the Finns I would prefer Greenie, as I stated earlier, because for some reason I want to keep Lommie around for a bit.

Bah. Any of those would be fine with me, really. Perhaps we should take the rather safe route toNight and go with Shasta? (I almost want to keep him around because he's amusing, but hey. Girls have gotta do what girls have gotta do, eh? )

In any case we can discuss a bit further and maybe Nerwen will show up sometime soon and stick in her shiny two cents. Until then, I must go. I sense a shiny object and I need to go chase it.

~~Sally the Magpie....erm, Wraith~~

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Greetings, my fellow creatures of darkness.

These are my own guesses for the Seer:

Beregond because his post at #49 looks like newbie-Seer clumsiness (in which case his dream was probably Gollum).

Fea because I just imagine her using her reputation for attention-seeking stunts to leave a glaringly obvious clue (to Sally).

Rikae is also a possibility for the same reason. She would very likely have dreamed of me, too.

As you say, the last two do leave very obvious trails... depends on whether you think it's worth the risk of going for them now, or seeing how they act toMorrow so we can can a better idea. If it's not them, then they're both trying to draw fire from the real Seer, and have made lucky guesses.

My current guess for Frodo is Aganzir.

Out of your suggestions–

Shasta hasn't done anything much yet, but we know he can be dangerous.

Lommy is too clever by half– look how quickly she was onto Mac– however, she's come under quite a bit of suspicion herself; we might be able to get her lynched.

Or we could always lynch a non-contributor and thus frame Nogrod.

I will leave the ultimate choice up to you two, since I'm not going to be around in the next few hours.

Good luck!

~Nerwraith.

Originally Posted by Brinn

I don't know because Dury has been a gifted a lot, and probably for that reason. Would she be one again? Maybe...after all, I've been a ww a lot and that didn't matter to Kitanna.

I still prefer killing Lommy, but I can't support any reason why. I just do.

With Greenie we're more likely to hit the seer probably than Shasta, but then I think Shasta's less likely to be protected than Greenie. Hmm...whose death would be more confusing to the village? Probably Shasta...I wonder if the village will think we thought he was the seer...haha. (Btw, it's really weird talking about killing him as I'm IMing with Shasta right now. )

I had an interesting thought. What if Noggie is our Frodo? How clever of him to suggest that Frodo reveal when he is in fact the Ringbearer. Not that we need to kill him now...but it's something to consider.

-Brinn

Look how badly I wanted to kill Lommy...and on the Night I was dreamt of! The one time I'm right about something and I didn't go through with it.

Originally Posted by Sally

Good point about Noggie. The only problem is that if he's NOT Frodo we've killed him off and I really don't want that, at least toNight.

Heh I also am IMing with Shasta. We should kill him anyway.

Very true, Durie has been gifted a lot. Maybe Kit wouldn't put her in a position. *shrugs*

Heh well could we wait to kill Lommie until toMorrow night, mehbe? I just would rather keep her around. Again, just a feeling. Then again, I could be very wrong.

I really do think Shasta is the best choice though. Don't know, it just seems like he's the easiest guaranteed kill. (Of course now that I've said this he'll be ranger saved, but meh.)

Thoughts?

Originally Posted by Brinn

Well, like I said, I have no interest in killing Noggie toNight. But perhaps later...

Anyways, there's always the risk the the person we go after may be protected. But it's simply a risk we have to take. All we can do is cross our fingers and hope for the best.

Should I submit the kill for Shasta?

-Brinn

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Just dropped in again to check–

Yes, Shasta's okay with me. As you say, he probably won't be protected (and there's at least a chance he's the Seer trying to hide in plain sight, though that doesn't seem so much his style).

Any thoughts on strategy for the coming Day? I may not be around to get your answers, though.

~Nerwraith.

Originally Posted by Brinn

Strategy-wise, I don't have much in ideas. Just don't be surprised if I slightly suspect you both...that's how I roll.

I was thinking about dropping seer hints, but if the seer already had a dream, that sorta messes up my plan...

-Brinn

Originally Posted by Nerwen

It night, in fact, be necessary for you (Brinn) and I to have a bit of an argument after the way things went last night... but be careful that it doesn't *look* staged. You know how dangerous that is.

Also– if other people latch onto your suspicions and one of us gets into trouble, don't make the mistake of suddenly trying to save her.

And yes, drop a few Seer hints, but keep them subtle. It might be useful later on.

Again, good luck, my fellow-wraiths!

~Nerwraith.