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Originally Posted by The Might
Well, sir, although the old saying about "keep your enemies closer" has a certain importance, it still makes no sense at all why Sauron, who was sure he would soon be the sole master of Middle-earth use Saruman as a lieutenant of his forces. In the end both seeked the same - the Ring - and Sauron knew it. But there could only be one who possesed it, so Saruman would have been eliminated. This is beyond doubt, or at least I am sure of it. You say, Sauron could gain some advantages off the alliance - true, useful, but not necessary, not at all. Only a bonus at most.
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I think that we are in agreement here. Sauron could do it all without Saruman, but Saruman, as you say, needed the Dark Lord (or the One Ring) to increase his dominion. I just was wondering if that ole honey-tongued viper (Saruman) would make an attempt to ride Sauron's coattails.
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Plus, I ask for some understanding here, but the whole idea about the son of Sauron makes no sense at all for me. Really, no sense. I mean, why would Sauron in any respect fear Saruman?
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Maybe because I wrote, "Son of Saruman." It was a lame attempt at humor; I will refrain in the future...
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From the works we know Gandalf was stronger than Saruman and that Gandalf with the One Ring on would be more or less about as powerful as Saruman.
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I agree with the first half, but I thought that Gandalf - or any other of the Wise - with the One Ring would be equal to Sauron, or at least have the ability to become another Dark Lord.
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Which leads to the conclusion that no matter what Saruman did it was virtually impossible for him to really do anything in the end against Sauron - it was inevitable, he could not become the next Dark Lord.
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If only he had hobbits...and catapults...with lasers... But seriously (sorry
), wasn't it Gandalf the one who states at the Council of Elrond that by Saruman's knowledge the White Council were able to scare Sauron from Dol Guldur...oops, that's another thread.
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This is why I all in all feel that the whole theory of Saruman helping Sauron is based on no evidence at all, hence it appears that Saruman would never have considered truly serving Sauron.
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Much agreed. I'm attempting to speculate, given any evidence, what would happen "if." Weren't I recently accused of lacking in this ability?
All in jest - alatar
