[Brinniel]

Deciding to kill Aganzir...

Originally Posted by morm

Noggie, I'm sorry mate but I think you are going to be dreampt of tonight, if not already. I had a crazy thought...what if Rune is the seer. He has NEVER been this friendly towards me and he comes out not suspecting me which got me thinking that perhaps he is the seer and he dreampt of me the first night but didn't want to make any show of it until he has one or two others. It's a bit of a long shot but something to look into a bit more. He is being a bit unusual too in his behavior. Oh and Noggie a much more 'normal' day for you, so keep that up although I may come out swinging against you tomorrow, especially if we don't get the seer tonight. Because I'm assuming that you are going to be the person chosen tonight.

Anyway this Boro/Phantom pact is really bothering me and lacking a solid lead on who the seer is I'd like to go after one of them. I wonder if it could be used against the other if we kill one. I know that this is what they wanted, is for us to talk about them, but I am half worried that one of them is the seer and they are hiding so far in the open. Anyway what do you think?

Originally Posted by Brinn

I have my doubts, though it's simply for meta reasons. Rune was the seer in the last game he played, which I believe was Eomer....and that was only two games ago. It's possible Fea made him seer again, but not as likely.

Yeah, it's a tough choice. One part of me wants them dead and another part doesn't. Both have sort of been suspecting us which can be dangerous if left alive, though I worry about how their death could lead to one of us. They've certainly set up a trap for us and I don't want to fall for it. The question is, which way do we go to avoid it? Hmm...I'm thinking maybe we should wait another Day before we kill one of them, but I'm not sure....

Those who I doubt are seers:

Gil: His lack in participation says definitely not. I don't want to waste my time killing him...maybe Fea will eventually modfire him.

Ilya: Would Fea assign a newbie a gifted role? Somehow I doubt it...

Sally: She hasn't been as active as she normally is, so I think she's most likely an ordo.

Kath: Seems a bit too lost...especially since she didn't even know Legate got lynched.

Rune: As I mentioned, for meta reasons...

Everyone else in my opinion could easily be a seer. One thing I know is that I don't want to kill a quiet player toNight. Because if we kill all the quiet ones, Ka's gonna start to stand out a whole lot more. So who should we go after?

Aganzir: Is very vocal. I can't say whether she's a seer, though. But she has been gathering some attention, so I think perhaps we should keep her around.

Boromir: already discussed...

Greenie: I always find her to be quite the enigma. She tends to fall under the radar for a lot of people and no one seems to be suspecting her. She could be a good kill.

Gwathagor: He's one of the quieter players so I'd rather leave him alone for now.

Lommy: Seems to be viewed as fairly innocent by most. Could be a seer and could be potentially dangerous to some of us if left alive. I'd be up for killing her.

Nerwen: I was gonna say she was one of the quieter ones, but she's actually made more posts than I thought. But she was the runner-up in votes and could be a potential lynch candidate toMorrow. Let's leave her alive for now.

Shasta: I'm the one who re-brought up the psychic powers thing last game and it's sorta true. After all, while he doesn't suspect me or morm, he's getting a bad vibe from Ka. Actually after all the psychic talk, I wouldn't be surprised if Fea tested his abilities by making him a seer. Could be a good kill for toNight.

the phantom: see Boromir. Though I actually also want to note that in the last games tp has been in he was given special roles. It's quite possible he could be given one again, but honestly I'd be a bit disappointed if he was the seer...

In conclusion, I would be most interested in killing:

Greenie
Lommy
Shasta

If you guys really want to kill tp or Boro, I'm not completely against it, though I am rather hesitant to go for it. But if you guys do insist, I'd prefer killing Boro over tp.

Originally Posted by morm

One thing we may consider is going for a more vocal player tonight and then doing a bit of a mix from here on out. Basically a quiet then loud, quiet then loud type of mixture. At least we don't leave any trace of who we are going for and that would help create some confusion.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I agree also that tp and boro are beginning to be quite a threat but I'd feel bad being such an unsporty one to just kill them off like that.

But there sure is a chance onew of them is the seer. Boro seems to trust tp in earnest, so maybe?

Originally Posted by morm

Okay, I say screw sportiness tonight. If there is any reasonable chance that Boro is a wolf then I say we kill him. It will help us out overall. I still have my nagging doubts about Rune but I could see in their interactions that Boro could be the seer and that the phantom believes so too and he is doing his best to help him out.

Obvioulsy if he is the seer this would be bad for Nogrod, but either way it's bad for you buddie.

I say we call their bluff and kill Boro tonight.

Originally Posted by Brinn

For some reason the more I think about it, the more I feel that killing Boromir could be a bad idea. Of course I could be completely wrong on this, but I have a feeling that he's not the seer. Now it's possible he could be one bluffing his way through, but it's a pretty risky move. There are many reasons why we should kill Boro, but I don't find seerism to be one of them. I just worry that with his death what sort of trails would lead to us or other players...

Quite honestly, I'd be happier killing Shasta. His posts feel a bit seerish to me, plus I don't think his death would lead any negative trails to us.

But then again, maybe you shouldn't listen to me at all because usually my vibes are completely and utterly wrong....

If I didn't have that last sentence in there, this quote would be a whole lot more embarrassing...

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Aganzir might be the seer. Just look at this:

So with Nerwen there are stated reasons arising from the actual posting but with me she actually says she has not read my posts - so there is some other reason for that? Which could then be read in retrospect?

She didn't vote for me though - but that would be natural self-defence. Had she voted me or made more noise she would have risked getting killed. She also referred to her suspicion of me and not reading my posts somewhere earlier saying it would take her too much time - which might be just true. And she introduced her suspicions on me and Nerwen basically with the same reason: reacting towards some people accusing us on gronuds that would make us "stupid wolves".

I don't know. She might just have a bad feeling about me and thence write it open there, but the way she does it sure gives me the creeps.

It would also be risky to me if she isn't the seer and someone notices the thing I just did. But then again I'm most probably a goner pretty soon so I'm ready to take the risk if you think it worth taking.

But killing Aganzir might give us a side-offer we'd (well, I at least would) get a few chances to play against Boro. For Boro said he signed Nerwen's death-warrant if Agan was being killed during the Night and then backtracked after tp intervened. Check Boro on #768, tp on #770 and finally Boro on #782. That is indeed interesting!!!

tp's threat might be one of his ploys to be sure, but it's interesting Boro backed away after it.

Talking about the two, I have a feeling tp did make a lightly suspecting comment on Boro already earlier the last Day. So he's not "knowing" Boro's innocence?

So if their mating (Boro & tp) has a seer-involvement it's probably Boro who hasn't questioned tp a single time in earnest (if my memory serves me right; I'm not going to go through the thread to check it ). One thing to draw me into that direction is his compromising stance towards me after the short row. I mean if he's a seer he wouldn't like to make me think he's confident of my guilt with such lousy reaons he put forward earlier so he'd have to play low profile for some time not to get killed by Night.

I'm not sure there are major consequences for you others if we kill Boro this Night. But of these one never konws... To me there would naturally be but I have kind of accepted that already.

But it will be up to you to decide. Killing Agan might be the more interesting choice looking at what would follow - eg. Nerwen getting to the firing line as well, unless Boro (or someone else) is the seer and checks her out this Night... Although I think the seer has a host of people to choose from as s/he has only had two dreams this far...

If the seer hasn't checked me already (eg. is not Agan or Boro), Nerwen might indeed be her/his target toNight. So there is also a possibility I'm not dreamt of by toMorrow.

I'd be okay with Shasta as well. Although I think Shasta more lynchable than the other two and I haven't noticed anything seerish in him as yet. But in this I may be misguided as I haven't paid attention to him too much this far.

Originally Posted by Brinn

I'm good with killing Aganzir. I honestly haven't looked at her much for seerness, but it's possible. And I do think her death could result in some interesting reactions.

And anyway, I'm a little less certain about Shasta because looking at his posts again, he does have inconsistencies.

Originally Posted by morm

Okay in thinking more about Boro, I wonder if he is fully pulling the ploy of being the seer. He decided early on that tp is innocent and has played just that way so that some, like Noggie would see that he is not even questioning tp.

Agan or Shasta are fine by me too. Let's go with Agan. I think Shasta damaged his Day 1 credibility with his lack of posting on Day 2.

Originally Posted by morm to Fea

Please kill Aganzir or the seer, whichever is easiest for you and would create the best narrative...oh can you imagine how well you would write a seer kill narrative?!?! It would be simply brillant, actually I'd really love to see it.