[Brinniel]

Day 3

The wolves about the unknowns:

Originally Posted by morm

Nerwen's 'that's predictable' statement does nothing to allay my fears. I understand the explination somewhat but the way in which her and Boro came out firing on those seems odd and I already suspected Nerwen and again this does not help.

Originally Posted by morm

On Gil, is there any risk of mod-fire from lack of participation? I don' remember reading that but I find it highly aggrivating and totally irresponsible to do this.

Originally Posted by Nogrod about Gil

I'm daring to believe this is good news looking at this game. It means we can count him within our numbers, that is when the tally is done.

But you who haven't played with him should also know that his history in WW hasn't been the most pleasant one to be honest as he tended to get lynched or killed everytime he played quite early with basically the same reasons he got picked on in this one...

Some of you of course didn't know that and I'm believing that was unintentional. But you might wish to send him a PM after the game? Just a suggestion...

Looks like it could be an honest comment.

Originally Posted by morm

++Lommy for Rep

Okay so I'm likely to be a bit more hit and miss for the remainder of the day and I would like to get my vote out there. I think Lommy the most innocent and I have a degree of trust in her. She is responsible and wise. She will do what she finds best with her vote and she has a similar mind to me.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

First Nerwen's initial answer to Agan looks pretty odd because of a few things.

First she tries to nullify it with the fact that Agan changed her mind during the Day. She indeed casts suspicion on Agan for doing a Legate 180 twice (with Lommy earlier) - while the original Legate 180 was an innocent one!
Secondly she still left it open, leaving reservations like it would be clumsy for an Aganwolf - which is true indeed.

But clearly it looks bad for Nerwen. She defends herself strongly (with bad reasons, look the first point above) not to get lynched but still tries to leave a considerate aftertaste to us others while preceeding to kill her at Night (point two), right? So Nerwolf thought that as Agan's case was so bad she could have been a seer? And therefore... end of story.

Hmm...two wolves going against a fellow wolf? That seems less likely to me. But not entirely impossible.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Gil-Galad whom I think is innocent but may not return to the game. Let's hope he does.

Kath I'm very unsure of as she seems to trust me somewhat (at least the last time she was around of which some time has really gone) and I find it slightly suspicious. Maybe I should just start to learn to be a bit more grown-up and stop suspecting her everytime (I quess this is the second time I'm saying this; now what does it tell? ). But she really should post more. I'm not inclined to suggest her lynching anyway, at this point at least.

Gwath I'd just like to see more. I have no clear picture of him. Sometimes I think not even a picture... where are you?

Also Brinn has been relatively quiet toDay. But so far I have no idea. She looks reasonable but that's what she always does. And that really bothers me right now.

Then there are Rune, Sally, Shasta, Greenie and Ilya who are all falllng into my category "I really should pay more attention to them as they do actually post". Somehow my mind has been in other places (thanks Boro & tp ). I'll promise to look at at least some of them tomorrow (the rep-day that is).

The people I have a "better" vision (meaning I think I have something) on remain.

Lommy looks and feels genuine, from her defence from Agan's attack to her frustration with Boro and tp toDay.

Nerwen is either a wolf or a victim of a nasty plot made by wolves. Her defences can be interpreted both ways. I have no clear feeling on her but if I'd had to be the one to vote the lynch at this moment I would probably try her (or then The Ka, just to be sure).

Originally Posted by Nogrod

That leaves me Kath basically. I know she has a cool mind and I'd wish to see her in the delegation to balance this black and white -looking situation. Once again it's half trust, half curiosity. I think we can afford yet another try for that.

And I think she hasn't made a comment on Boro and tp for a few Days now so she might have fresh eyes for that.

++ Kath for representative

Originally Posted by Ka

++Greenie for Rep

Originally Posted by morm

For example, Lommy feels very much like Lommy and despite her style being the type that grates me a bit because she feels the same I feel she is innocent.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

If Boro and tp are wolves something like that would be their only chance of avoiding the seer's eyes.

And who'd be their mates then? Looking at all of this, morm and Rune might be reasonable candidates. If the other "side" of the wolfpack had to pull that kind of a bluff - and were still in danger of being dreamt of - the other party should be very suspiciousof them, right? So if either "duo" prevailed in the beginning the other might carry it home as they would look clean and nice going after the other "pair" (see the mutual distrust between those "pairs" in this game).

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Sally I have no idea of. Kath said she was acting more serious than normally and that was the case when she was a wolf last time. I think I need to take a look on that.

The Ka seems to be the submarine and I'd like to lynch her just to be sure.

And I'd like to test my theory as well with morm or Rune but seeing that morm is having a vote I think that with him it would be a vote wasted unless you all went for it.

Both Rune and Greenie have voted morm for a representative the last two Days... So maybe I was wrong and the wolves really thought it important to get one of their kind into the electorate this early?

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Okay I checked back on Sally.

I don't know. I'm not sharing Kath's thoughts of her being more serious or composed than normal. I mean the last time she was a wolf she was indeed being a bit too focused for her own good.

But she did vote Greenie as a representative and then again Greenie's vote for tp was no surprise.

On the other hand - and following that - she decided to go all the way appeasing tp with all that talkabout Dr. Who and the various ways of spelling that.

Like "I try to lynch you via choosing a rep to do that and immediately start playing it personally nice with you"?

Also her post about her suspicions were as follows:

So leaving tp at the end of the list and saying "preferably the former" with the reason we could after that "go on with our lives" - like tp wouldn't be the prime obstacle to that? (Sorry tp - see, no rolleyes!) - but still making sure her representative would be after tp?

That I think is suspicious.

The unknowns about the wolves:

Originally Posted by Greenie

I'M UNEASY ABOUT
Noggins-Woggins - Generally he's been making me quite uneasy. Some actions of his are really weird, such as giving a third vote to a Boro he didn't trust (you still haven't explained that, by the way - I believe you just explained why it's sensible to vote for someone you don't trust, but it didn't answer the question why you gave him a third vote when he was already through...). Also, I still don't like his role in Legate's lynch. Hmmm.

I'M NOT UNEASY ABOUT
mormegil - Brings up good points, behaves sensibly and has done nothing to arouse my suspicions.

I HAVEN'T GOT A CLUE ABOUT
The Ka - The same as with Gwath. Hope they are having fun under the reindeer/rainbow/whatever...

Originally Posted by Greenie

Morm, then, is the one whose innocence I feel the most sure about, for some unknown reason.

Originally Posted by Rune

About Nogrod: I cannot put my finger on it, but something seems different about him in this game. I don't know if it is just because he has been more or less ignoring my existance or there is something more sinicter behind. Little Green does not seem to trust him and bases her fears on his votes, of the two vote I see the Legate as the more incriminating one. Not that the Boromir vote is not odd, but this Representative-thing brings in a whole new side to the game.

Originally Posted by Lommy

Funnily, I'm feeling good about morm and Nog. Probably because they share my doubts considering Boro and tp.

Could be a bit too bold for a wolf to say..

Originally Posted by Lommy

Innocentish
morm - I don't know, he just seems very innocent toDay.

Middle
Gil, Gwath, THE Ka - not enough material to go on.
Nogrod - I think he seems rather innocent now, but he has been rather suspicious in the past... He's curiously distant in this game and I can't get a proper read on him.

In conclusion: I have very little idea who to vote for a rep. I'd be tempted of picking one of those that strike me as innocent but slip under my radar but I don't really know.. somehow I'd be more comfortable voting either morm or Shasta.

Originally Posted by Greenie

I'll vote

++morm for rep

Originally Posted by Kath

++NOG for Rep

Yes, yes, faint in shock at the thought of my trusting the ever-suspicious Nogbod, but I have actually come to terms with the fact that I think he's innocent. There are a few others I might have voted for. phantom is one (loving the tummy thing btw morm, it makes me laugh every time I see it!), Lommy is another. But toDay I'm going with Nog, I think it's good for me to get over this 'it's Nog! He must be evil' thing and this is as good a way as any.

Originally Posted by Brinn

Semi-Suspicious
Nogrod

No Clue
mormegil

Where did they go?
Ka

Originally Posted by Gwath

I understood part of his point to be that if the village finds you suspicious, then you're doing something suspicious - protests and ploys notwithstanding. You have a responsibility to play in a way that conforms to the system of popular suspicion that rules Ww, so if you are attracting too much attention, then either change or defend yourself just like all the other players. Don't ask players to take your innocence for granted.

I hope I am not misrepresenting you, Nogrod.

The very last sentence is a bit fishy. It's like it was added in there "just in case" Noggie turns out to be a wolf, so that defending him doesn't look suspicious.

Originally Posted by Ilya

Boys Becoming Men, Men Becoming Wolves
My initial, gut suspicions were of Agan, Brinn, Morm, and Nerwen. Even though I've already been proven wrong, they still hold.
Nogrod has phrased things in ways that are weird. I think the concerns raised about a "lynching distraction" are legit, whether Nog's a concerned citizen or a wolf trying to take the high road. I dunno which.

Originally Posted by Rune

It is true that Morm has not gathered suspicion and that in it self is suspicious ergo Morm AKA Geil is a wolf!

Actually it has been bothering me that Morm has been regarted so innocent, but there really is very little reason to suspect him.

Originally Posted by Rune

Here you go Morm, now send Boromir to the dark abyss that awaits him.

++MormeGeil for Representative

Very bold and suspicious looking. But perhaps too bold?

Originally Posted by Rune

I voted Morm insted of Kath, as I felt that I had more of an idea who he might vote for and I felt quite comfortable with the options.

Originally Posted by Brinn

morm is a bit creepy....he actually reminds me slightly of [Boromir] from the first half of my WW game (and for those who weren't in that game, Boro was a wolf). Simply because of how he manages to slide from Day to Day so easily without suspicion. He's definitely someone to keep an eye on.

Originally Posted by Lommy

I may throw in as a sort of gut-feeling that I think that Ilya is a wolf, after all. Possibly Nerwen and Rune too. Hmmm... who would I throw in as the last one? Ka?

Originally Posted by Lommy

no idea:
Rune, Nogrod, Gil, Gwath, morm, Brinn

seem suspicious:
Ka - has talked some, but not said much and I think she tends to talk more serious stuff when she's innocent and more nicely phrased nonsense when she's guilty

Originally Posted by Ilya

Let's leave Boro and TP alone for the time being Rune, Morm and whoever else is still trying to pick at their argument. Even if they are wolves, there are two others out there, and I can't help but think that one of them jumped on The Alliance yesterday. I think their ploy, if it was to draw fire, worked - though morm brings up a good point in that I dunno how they would've been able to coordinate it without communicating.

Originally Posted by Sally

People I'd like to see get lynched. ToDay. Mehbe.
Morm or Boro or Phantom (preferably one of the former, as then we can get on with our lives. heh.)

Originally Posted by Greenie

I'M UNEASY about:
Nogrod - Still hasn't answered the question I have asked something like three times? So I ask again: why did you give a third rep vote to a Boro you didn't trust when he was already through anyway? Nog's been more innocentish toDay than before, but I'm still uneasy about him.

I'M NOT UNEASY about:
morm - Nothing new.

I HAVE NO IDEA about:
The Ka - Has posted more toDay and I'm glad to see it; but there is still too little to go on with there, I fear.

Originally Posted by Kath

morm - I think he's more annoyed than truly suspicious, but that annoyance makes him disinclined to look at alternative explanations for things and so he finds things suspicious that maybe aren't. Says that Nerwen is backtracking, but no she isn't, she's explaining. She said the kill was predictable and then she explained why she thought that, no backtracking there.

Nog - is just against phantom in general I think. I mean I completely agree that phantom's playing style drives you up the wall, although not me this game for some reason, so I get the frustration, but what I don't think Nog has are any actual reasons.

Originally Posted by Lommy

I do not suspect Nerwen after all. I totally forgot about the ranger-mistake. I think she wouldn't have cheated that way if she was a wolf... Now you two are probably happy to know that this makes me more suspicious of morm who keeps insisting on Nerwen's guilt for rather flimsy reasons. But it would be really ironic if morm happened to be a baddie in the first game ever I've started to trust him even a little...

Originally Posted by Lommy

I feel like voting Ka or Ilya or Gwath. Or maybe sally, Rune or morm. No idea... Any (reasoned) preferences, anyone?

Originally Posted by Lommy

++THE Ka

That's the closest I can get to a reasonable vote toDay. She's a submarine the likes of which we can't really afford, and like I've said, she tnds to have more serious stuff to say when she's innocent.

I don't think it's very likely this is a wolf-on-wolf vote. But again, it's not impossible. Lommy voted for her early on and perhaps didn't expect her to actually get lynched.

Originally Posted by Rune

I don't know what it is with you Nogrod, I constantly get the feeling that you are playing differently and that I should take a close look at you.
The problem is that when I do so, I find very little actual suspicous behaviour and I have actually read through most of your post in search of such.

Maybe you have been more vaugue than normaly, not sticking you neck out too much. . .

Anyways you are on my list over people I am slightly suspicous of together with Ilya, Nerwen, Brinn and Ka.

Originally Posted by Gwath

I probably wouldn't have voted for The KA. What's the reasoning behind that vote? Lots of us have been super quiet so far, so why KA? I suppose I always feel uncomfortable voting for submarines because there is so little substance on which to assess them - and I always have an especially hard time discerning between quiet wolves and quiet ordos.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

morm –Looks less wolfish to me lately, but that may be because he's no longer going after me. He stresses this to Lommy, but that's actually quite irrelevent– until he got distracted by Boro he most certainly was making a case against me, and a highly specious one at that.

Nogrod –you know why I said we should look at the McCaber kill, and then didn't say what I thought it might mean? I wanted to see if anyone else would independently think it pointed to him. That's a very trivial thing indeed, mind you.

Originally Posted by Brinn

morm: As I mentioned to Boro earlier, I do actually find him rather creepy.

Noggie: He's someone I need to take a closer look at toMorrow. Why do I feel like he's being inconsistent and all over the place? I don't know...his behaviour just seems odd.

Ka: She's already dead, but I'll share my opinion on the matter anyway. She's been so quiet and submarine-ish, it's something I find quite unsettling. Though honestly I don't think I would've chosen to lynch her toDay as there are others who I suspect more and it would've been nice to give her another Day to defend herself...though I suppose there wasn't much guarantee that she'd even show up to do that...