[Brinniel]

Day 2

The wolves about the unknowns:

Originally Posted by morm

What really bothers me though is how Nerwen seems to piggy-back off phantom's ideas. A good number of people assume phantom to be innocent, and honestly I'm okay with that, despite some of my criticisms of him overall I think him genuine but I am keeping a close eye on him because I know of his skill as a wolf and I'm watching for and pointing out any lupine signs I may see. Anyway Nerwen on Day 1 didn't make any sort of impression on me, was overly quiet and reserved. She didn't do or say anything controversial. And now that she feels that the phantom is a fairly well accepted innocent she seems to quickly parrot what the phantom is saying. Her stating that they might have gone after McCaber because they thought he was a ranger sounded awfully strange to me. Gil got a free pass for ignorance so why not give it a try, eh Nerwen? Nerwen just shot up from an unknown to my top suspect based upon what I am seeing and feeling from her.

Originally Posted by morm

The problem with a statement like this is it's could be an attempt to back me up against a wall. Nerwen could feel that by saying she is offended that I will back off because to proceed further would be rude. I will not back off, look at what her little 'slip' has done. Multiple people are coming and delcaring her likely innocent. I think it is a great ploy to use and that you are wise enough to use it. It is not an insult, rather a compliment, but it makes me not trust you and the fact that you are now trying to pressure me to stop bothers me too.

Originally Posted by Ka

Definitely have to agree with that. I remember what a Sally wolf is. Though, if she was a wolf this time, she either is taking the role of a lurker, or is up to something else which I have no clue what and why. Or, she’s innocent, and just busy.

Originally Posted by Ka

As for a new rep, I’m looking at either Nerwen or Lommy. Slightly more the latter. Even with the argument between Aganzir, I’m not seeing a wolf or wolves trying to cast opinions around, but two innocents, with Lommy looking more so.
This second Day she’s shown a level of interest and ability in the game that I value in a representative, and hopefully with her reason can make sure we avoid another incident as yesterday, so…

++Lommy for Representative

Originally Posted by morm

I am not at all satisfied with Nerwen today and still will likely vote for her. Her tactics today indicate to me somebody who is trying to be very involved and helpful, but when I see so many quotes it seems that she is just making long posts to show how 'helpful' she is being...I don't buy it. I still think she played the ignorance card to help her buy immunity today which is working in most minds.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

The fact that Gil didn't vote for a representative (or actually post other than that short row with Shasta) looks like he's an innocent. I suggest he should not be lynched. Had he a role he would have been a lot more engaged says my experience with him.

Hah, figure this: Nogrod is saying we should leave a submarine alive on the first Days!

Hmm...the last bit of that quote is interesting. But I'd be quite disappointed if Gil was wolf...but that doesn't mean it's entirely impossible.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Nerwen's gigantic task of going through the discussion between myself and Boro made me first think she was trying to be a bit too helpful without actually contributing anything (and morm actually commented on that as well) but then I realised that if I had time in my hands and were not a party to the debate I might have done the same thing... So I don't think we can actually make a point on that.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

But then looking at Kath's posting I get two kind of vibes. Firstly she seems to be more benign in her relation to me that I remember her ever being. And surely, voting or suspecting someone just because you tend to suspect that one "every time" is stupid and maybe she has gotten over it? So maybe I'm just the slower one just trying to catch that possibility, but her slight trust on me (= she's not trying to lynch me immediately) looks a bit suspicious to me.

But the second vibe is that her pointing at Greenie looks like something I hadn't quite concentrated on myself. And I must admit I'm the worst person to look at her as her father I'm totally blind to her. But there's something in that kind of principled stance she has that makes me feel a bit insecure with her. It's like the most you get from her posts is that she is an individual who dares to attack guys like tp on style & stance issues. But she seems to be a bit careful with her opinions when it comes to actual suspicions making her a super-wolf when she is one. (Yeah, my problem with her is that I partly think that's the way sahe is and partly I think is she fooling me - and others - with exactly that)

Originally Posted by morm

Ilya and Nogrod are beginning to catch my eye a bit more but Nerwen still will get my vote. She is playing very smart and I'm fairly confident we have one on our hands here. Anyway I will try to catch up later, hopefully before voting time but it is doubtful.

++Lynch Nerwen

Is a wolf-on-wolf vote possible here? Nerwen was pretty heavily suspected at the time, which makes me think it less likely she's a wolf. But is it impossible? No. I remember last time Boro was a wolf, he went quite viciously after his fellow wolves...I could imagine morm doing the same.

The unknowns about the wolves:

Originally Posted by Gwath

Based on his vote against me yesterDay, I am inclined to think that Nogrod is innocent. It seems unlikely to me that a werewolf, having been voted into power, would proceed to risk alienating half of his constituency by trying to have them executed.

Well, obviously that's not so. One possibility if Nogrod and Gwath were both wolves is that after Gwath voted his mate as rep (as fellow wolf morm already did), Nogrod attempted to distance himself from Gwath by voting to lynch him.

Originally Posted by Rune

Mormegil: There is a few things I do not agree with in his posts, such as his views on who would make a good Representative. Anyways besides minor things I think it is a very reasonable post he has put together here and a very good analysis of the Representatives votes. . . Or rather the fact that he points out Ilya’s vote as being the safe “look good vote” and that Nogrod’s should not be taken as a sign of innocents.

Originally Posted by Lommy

Now, I will happily admit all the above goes for me. But as I'm not a wolf, I have to turn my glance elsewhere. Nogrod strikes me as a person who would suggest a kill like McC to his fellows.

I think a wolf would be less likely to bring such a comment up about their fellow.

Originally Posted by Greenie

Well I can't help but think that from a reasonable player such as Nog this really looks like a vague argument. Truly, that argument looks like grasping at straws more than anything else. (Or then it's just me when I really saw nothing at all suspicious about Leggie's SW jokes.) Anyhow, I don't know how would it serve a wolf-Nog to make such a vague case on Legate when he already had suspicions and voting candidates of his own. Perhaps if he wanted to give the other reps more fuel for lynching Legate without joining the bandwagon himself... But really, I'm not sure - otherwise Nog has looked quite innocent so I don't quite buy my own argument yet...

Originally Posted by Lommy

Also, I don't like morm's and Ilya's suspicions of Legate. They just don't look genuine.

Originally Posted by Lommy

mormegil - I don't know, really, he just seems evil and I don't like some of his arguments or his behaviour late yeterDay.
Nogrod - he's too diplomatic, too smooth. It's his cardinal mistake as a wolf. And he would have killed McC. However, the consensus against him makes me think him more innocent (weirdly) and also, like I said, I don't think I want to see him go toDay.
The Ka - her posting style in this game is rather unsettling.

Already suspects all of the wolves, which again makes me think her less likely to be their packmate.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

*sigh* You're so predictable, morm.

1. I did not "parrot" the phantom's comments on McCaber. I agreed with him.

2. I really did think there was a ranger. I'm in the middle of exams, and I ended up just skimming the rules– which are exceptionally long and complicated. I am quite insulted that you think I'd try an idiotic wolf-cub ploy like pretending not to know the rules.

Could this exchange be between two wolves? I'm not sure...

Nogrod - My theory about why he suddenly jumped on Legate on poor grounds combined with the night kill of McCaber (yes, I too thought about Nog or someone framing Nog being behind it...) makes me feel uneasy about him.

mormegil - Has given me no reason whatsoever to suspect him. Feels genuine and reasonable and raises good points.

The Ka - Now if Nerwen is sneaky, then what is Ka? (answer: very sneaky.)

Argh, another quote where I forgot to put a name next to. I think it might be Greenie's.

Originally Posted by Greenie

First of all, I think Nogrod's behaviour toDay has been quite odd. He seems somehow very aggressive (ahem - I mean, more than usual ) and seems to get heated very easily. The way he reacts to tp's and Boro's posts about him looks really like overreacting and playing the martyr to me. That over-confident "you say this about me, which I don't like, so you are either wolf or stupid: and because I know you can do better and are not stupid, it means you are a wolf!" -attitude doesn't sit right with me. Also, I still don't like his traditional "you know I'm not the kind of player who does that" -argument.

Hmm...there seemed to be a lot of suspicion of Nogrod on this Day, yet no one voted to lynch him. It's possible one of the Noggie suspectors was a fellow wolf.

Originally Posted by Greenie

++ morm for representative

Because, like I said, I want new faces to the reps, and of the two people on my innocent list who haven't yet been reps morm was the one who already hasn't been voted as a rep as I believe Lommie just received her second vote. Besides, I'm slightly more comfortable with morm than with Lommy at the moment, though I believe both are innocents. Also, morm's suspicions are not too far from my own and I judge him capable of good decisions if he indeed is an innocent villager like I believe he is.

Originally Posted by Rune

Nogrod: “I don't know if you have come to a conclusion about McCaber being killed or not but to me it looks very puzzling indeed. And it makes me wonder. Why not tp? Why not Boro? Why not me? (add any player you think being a major threat to the wolves). There is no ranger so they roam free at Nights. So why not?”

Will you get you pompous behind down from your high horse mister!
In which way do present a more real threat to the wolves than McCaber did? Where is it written that because you talk a lot on day one means that you will come up with a great theory later in the game, chances are that you will be wrong in all of your suspicions. . .that would not be a first. . .and that McCaber would pick out one of the wolves.
And the fact that you pretend not to see a reason to why McCaber was killed seems extremely suspicious, the only problem is that it seems too obvious.

Originally Posted by Rune

++Mormegil for Representative

It stood between him and Boromir, both have made exelent cases for their view points through out the day. I am not saying that they are innocent, but I like their way of going about things and also some of the stuff they say. . . I want a my Representative to have style and not be afraid of saying things as they are.

Originally Posted by Ilya

Nogrod - I...I just don't follow Nog's arguments. At least he's being consistent in his perplexing nature, though, voting for Gwath because Gwath's confidence in him had sinister "possible intentions behind it" and now voting for Boro, despite Boro going after him, and despite not trusting Boro. I had trouble following Legate, though, and maybe it's just a style thing that's making Nog hard to read. I mean, I feel like a wolf wouldn't be this blithe. But all this contradictory stuff...consider my eyebrows raised.

Haven't done Morm, Nerwen, The Ka, or Gwath yet, but I've got other stuff to write tonight, so I'll have to hold off. The Ka, I think, is kosher. The other three smell slightly of pork.

Originally Posted by Greenie

Nog's vote for Boro also seemed a bit weird. If he doesn't trust Boro but wants to see how he uses the power given him, why wasn't it enough for him that Boro was elected a rep? I don't know if I can explain this, but to me it seems very risky to give a person you suspect a third vote just to "check his cards". To elect such a person for rep makes some sense; but giving him a third vote doesn't look quite logical to me.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

On the other hand, the quarrel toDay looks pretty genuine, and Boro makes some good points against Nogrod (even if he did confuse us all with his balogna). Which makes Nogrod's vote for him all the more puzzling.

Conclusion: no good evidence of a link between Boro and Nogrod... Their behaviour doesn't entirely rule it out either, but it's not what I'd call a "case".

I have absolutely no idea what to think of Noggie. He seems paranoid.

I accidentally marked this quote to be by Nogrod. Obviously I messed up. I can't remember who it belongs to.

morm - he's flown under my radar a bit but I suspect that's because he's one of these that makes quite long posts and my currently slightly limited time does force me to skim read a bit so I'm probably just missing the substance that he is putting in there. Ooh, though actually he did say that thing about phantom being overly silly. My feeling on that is that if phantom is playing up he's not anything that matters.

Ka - her usual self I think, playing around, which again makes me feel pretty good about her.

Nog - Now this is a really bizarre thing ... I have no opinion on him, and that's just unheard of with me and Nog. I suspect it's because I think he's innocent and I can't bear to believe that! But there you go.

Gah, I didn't mark this one either!

My problem is that the three I suspect the most right now are the phantom, morm and Nogrod. And although I have kind of got rid of the way of thinking that you need exceptionally good reasons to lynch a veteran loudmouth ( ) it would feel silly to lynch one after that was already done with not-so-spectacular results yesterDay. Or actually, I think it's just that I think I suspect them simply because they have caught my attention by making such a show by being loud and aggressive.

I would otherwise seriously consider Ka, but I wonder if she'd vote me for a rep after I had listed her in my suspicious category if she was a wolf...

Or this one...but I'm almost positive it's by Lommy.

Originally Posted by Brinn

I'm not sure what to think about this thing between Boromir and Nogrod. Could be that they're just two ordos scuffling about. I doubt they're both wolves. If one of them is a baddie, my money's on Nogrod. His arguments and defenses just don't feel as honest as Boromir's.

mormegil is either a wise and influential innocent or a dangerous wolf. But which one? That is why I'm slightly scared and not entirely trusting of him.

The Ka has the least amount of posts. She's been sliding too much under the radar for my taste....where is she anyway?