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Old 11-18-2008, 10:18 AM   #1059
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Day 2, part un.

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Boro officially seals the deal and Ilya makes a safe vote ensuring that no double lynchings would happen and makes her look good...right? I'm skeptical of votes like these. If I remember correctly and from what I gathered in my brief review of her posts she seemed to go with the flow. She didn't offer up any risky propositions or suspicions.
I also don't like this suspicion against Ilya. We know this is Ilya's first time gracing our presense in this village, but this just looks like an attempt to get an easy lynch. "Well Ilya's been following other people, she's not making any risky decisions." Ok, why would you expect her to? And why would you suspect her for this, when a reason you were suspecting Legate was...

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Legate:
Ilya - so far so good
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Okay I am just to this line and found it odd. It would seem to me that this is the first time Ilya has played, correct? If he/she (sorry I don't know which) were to be a wolf with Legate, there would be so
me aprehension and fear associated with such a role on the first time. It seems that Legate would be giving him a clue here that he's doing just fine and to keep it up. He said nothing similar to any other player. I have not suspect Ilya to this point but this raises my suspicions especially if Legate is one.
So, you suspect Legate for perhaps giving encourage to a newbie wolf...saying she's doing fine and keep it up. Then you come back the next day and suspect Ilya for not proposing anything risky? Who's the one playing safe here morm? What risky suspicions, and proposals have you made? (as far as up to this point).

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The phantom seems to be setting himself up, on account that many Boro included, think him innocent, to the leadership position.
This I don't like, now for myself I admit to handing a lot of trust over to tp...but tp doesn't assume the leadership positon from anyone, he takes it himself, and he's still only been a representative once.

This is simply a safe move for a wolf-morm, tp is an easy person to attach onto. It's easy for someone to say "I don't trust the phantom," or "I don't trust this leadership role that he's taking..." and therefor it's very easy for someone to agree with..."Hey, ya that's true." But it's also a good strategy because a wolf would assume it's hard for a village to act on their insecurity with tp, it would take at least a couple days. So, here's a couple days where morm can attach and poke at an easy target, but a target that's difficult to lynch. If and when tp is lynched, and he is innocent, all a wolf's got to do is say, "Hey look I suspected him for a while, you can't deny that his behavior wasn't right." And the people will nod their head in approval...that's true it's hard to trust tp.

Then his stuff on Nerwen...it's just a pile up of cheap easy suspicions that can be applied to a lot of people (I'll number them )
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(1) Anyway Nerwen on Day 1 didn't make any sort of impression on me, was overly quiet and reserved. (2) She didn't do or say anything controversial. And now that she feels that the phantom is a fairly well accepted innocent she seems to quickly (3) parrot what the phantom is saying.
Each one of these has no points to it...

1. She was overly quiet and reserved...ok and that makes her a wolf because?
2. She didn't do anything controversial...this is really just a repeat of number 1, but different words.
3. parrots the phantom...this in turn makes her suspicious because the phantom is becoming well accepted as innocent.

As far as Nerwen's remark about a ranger, ok a wolf might use the "ignorance" card. But let's think for a second what's the point of wolf-Nerwen doing it? First you accuse Nerwen of saying she's too quiet, thus you're implying she's slipping under the radar, but wouldn't such an obvious slip by a wolf-Nerwen completely go against that? Besides just looking at something and saying "ahh a wolf is trying to be ignorant to look innocent", you have to ask what the benefit would be.

Morm, you might not have liked Nerwen's response, but it was an accurate one. Now, I'm not sure whether a wolf Nerwen would use that type of trick or not, I don't because she's a crafty one. But I do know she doesn't have to act ignorant to make herself look innocent. Yes, I will bring up history to make a point, but it's an important one to make. When we were wolves together, I tried everything that I could throw at Nerwen to get her lynched, I couldn't do it and she didn't have to act ignorant to look innocent.

Votes Agan as rep, is clear that Nerwen is his top suspect, and he entertains the idea of giving her a second rep vote to see what she would do.

Day 2. Part Deux.

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This seems awfully threatening my friend...
Looks like another little comment to prod suspicion towards the phantom (when tp said leave the Gil thing alone).

In 631 he reiterates his points against Nerwen. Again saying he thinks she was trying to play the ignorant card, and by the looks of it, it's working. Also, more easy suspicions to attach to anyone. She looks like she's trying to be too helpful this time...yada yada:
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I am not at all satisfied with Nerwen today and still will likely vote for her. Her tactics today indicate to me somebody who is trying to be very involved and helpful, but when I see so many quotes it seems that she is just making long posts to show how 'helpful' she is being...I don't buy it. I still think she played the ignorance card to help her buy immunity today which is working in most minds.
In 709, he goes with his suspicions Nerwen. Which, could be taken as an innocent who is following his suspicions, or a wolf who's playing it safe as a representative.

Then that makes me want to question who is the one who's been playing safe? I don't question morm's reasonableness about the representatives, nor about the voting of reps, but I would ask because of that don't think he's innocent. Look at who really is playing safe here, and who really is throwing around easy, generalized accusations.

The time he stepped out and took on a confrontation was today when I asked for one.

Edit: crossed with everyone since my last post.
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